dafna linzer, ryan grim and corey dade. gang, thanks for being here. ryan, let me start with you.t's bad and should people know what's bad when sarah palin comes out and support -- shows up in washington, d.c. with ted cruz? is it a sign that tea partiers are sticking together? >> it is. it's kind of a retreat. the tea party is down to about i'd say roughly 20% of the population still has -- you know, still considers themself a part of this movement. but, you know, it's not as if the people in the other 80% look with any sympathy on that 20%. if it were like these are the diehards, these are the activists, but everybody kind of thanks them for the work that they're doing for the country, that would be one thing. but they are in it, increasingly isolated and anilistic bunch. some of them are getting to an attitude of a spurned lover looking at this country. if i can't have her then nobody can. they kind of see themselves losing the country and, you know, this is the reaction to it. it's complete and total anarchy and chaos. >> corey, "the daily beast" has an article that says the f

let me bring in carl bernstein and msnbc managing editor dafna linzer. good morning. >> good morning. >> don't you love bill clinton? oh, that computer thing, it will get fixed. but is he right? should we have expected that the problems that we've seen, carl, would happen? >> no, it's a colossal screw-up. at the same time that does not mean that the legitimacy of the affordable care act is undermined or should be undermined boy this. look, we've got to look at the fact that the republican party has made the central issue of its existence the idea that really health insurance for all people they're against. it's a bad thing to be against, on top of this which is like google 1.0. it's going to be rolled out, it's going to have glitches. there are people who should have done much better at the technological end of this. but also the idea that one of our political parties is committed to burying something that can help millions of americans and help fix the fact that we spend 18% of gdp on health care is absurd. they ought to be working to make it work, the

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i want to bring in our company, dafna linzer, msnbc.com managing editor. dafna, you've been watching the polls so far, right? the latest one coming out that we are looking at is showing that they have had a absolute drop in the polls. 74% now saying that abc/washington post poll that they are disapproving of how it has been handled by house republicans. is that what drove them to these changes? >> i've got to hope so. i mean if they're looking at the polls and looking at their support just plummeting, i would think that the desire here for the republican party is to move as swiftly to reopen the government and to avoid a default here. and i think that they are trying very, very hard. we won't -- hopefully we will have a deal before the 17th, but i think clearly there is real motivation here from the public saying we do not like this shutdown. >> you know, we're also getting word here from frank thorpe as well as luke russert on the hill that house republicans will be introducing a bill. it, however, includes something that's not in the senate bill and that

let's bring in dafna linzer and joe conason. good morning. day two of the shutdown. dafna, is pressure building on republicans or are we in for a long haul. >> i think both. i think pressure is building and we could be in for a long haul. i'm amazed that senator mccain thinks it's the football that's got him going instead of the headstart. but they're all experiencing it in their own ways. i think absolutely. i don't see enough pressure, frankly, on boehner to make a move and they seem to be digging in, even as people are becoming more and more unhappy. >> he did write an op-ed forusa today." washington democrats have slammed the door on reopening the government by refusing to engage in bipartisan talks. this is part of a larger pattern. the president's scorched earth policy of refusing to negotiate in a bipartisan way on his health care law, current government funding or the debt limit. joe, polls clearly show that voters reject the republican shutdown strategy by a 3-1 margin. but if this goes on for a while, as the increasing sort of public opinion seems to be that