. >> host: do you think it took someone like dan eggers and coming from outside the industry to start to appreciate the value of when then and d. you think the recent trend in the last five or 10 years is from outside the industry has been something of the industry needed to get it shaken up a little? >> guest: yes, i do. first of all i think in the case of general motors i think rick wagoner was very open to female leaders and wanted to see them promoted as fast as possible and put them in conditions of greater responsibility. and willing to push female leaders pretty fast. you know maybe even take a little risk and push them faster than what we would normally say they were ready for it. there is no problem there but it was dan ackerson who made what i consider the boldest move of putting mary bharara and for product development. a broader question competently think it was good to bring outsiders and? i think we have outsiders in all three american companies. you have alan mulally at ford and dan ackerson at gm. i was always have the feeling that an automotive ceo should have an auto