management are intercoected to the very top of russian government and to power structures such as the fsbrmerly the kgb. >> james, you have been studying and protesting oil companies for a long time. or you believe in working with oil companies on projects and working on deals as some environmental groups to? what do you think people need to know about these large companies that control such important resources? >> the answer to the first question is simply no. we work closely with the communities impacted by oil and gas developments, occasionally with unions within the industry itself. our job is to highlight the social and environmental and democratic risks and human rights risks of oil and gas production globally. the key thing to understand here about the structures is the way in which they interact with not only the provision of energy, but with the wider set of concerns. timothy's book is brilliant looking at the relationship between oil production and democratic development, or de- democratization, as he put it, in the 21st-century. there is also the obvious issue about the way tha

and unlike many people suggested that he's under the control of the russian government or the fsb, thats absolutely not the case. >> he made clear in the recent interview in the "new york times" that he says he absolutely did not give any information to the russians, that he didn't actually even have any of the classified documents on him when he left hong kong, and he did that consciously, that he'd given them away and he's quite confident the chinese were not able to get ahold of them because he himself was involved in looking into the chinese intelligence capabilities. did he talk to you about that? >> yes, he did. i asked about that. and i can tell you that on day one, when my son, the news broke on june 9th, june 10th, the fbi was in my home. and i specifically told them that there was no question in my mind -- of course this is a father talking but i know my son. i said my son would die before he would sell secrets to a foreign government that would harm his country. i know that for a fact. you know, his intention if it was to profit he would be in a much different circumstance no

it's actually a separate organization from the fsb. that gets kind of complicated. but they have a set up like we do. they have an external service like the cia and internal service, basically internal to the fbi. >> host: mario and bridgeport, connecticut. >> caller: okay, i had a comment and a question. my commonest first, there is a book by timothy called enemies, a history of the fbi that came out in 2012. the pulitzer prize-winning author. in it, they discuss the moles and may also discuss things such as how leading up to 9/11, the fbi was criminally negligent because the things that occurred on august 17, 2001. that's not what i want to talk about. what i want to talk about is the fact that the nsa surveillance has been going on further than the bush era. it's been going back to late jay edgar hoover when the eavesdrop on martin luther king jr. and they blackmailed him. i think it's kind of like synonymous with what's going on with mark kell. i was wondering if he could speak i'm not. thank you. >> guest: i don't know what your question is. but the nsa which d

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for the intelligence he -- the intelligence agency to operate in moscow because of the kgb, now the fsb not aware that we illegal's into the eastern lock in russia. i think that would be hard to do. perhaps you are correct. i do not know. d.c.,grant, washington, independent caller. experience, his behind the chinese and behind the soviets, you have israeli spies who are involved in nuclear spying on the united states. the fbi will not release a single file of the investigations of these israeli nuclear spies who have targeted the united states. it seems there is a pattern of not allowing americans to review those investigations to see whether they were bona fide. about israelory that goes on and on. host: where was that? where did you find that? that was published on information clearinghouse. it is an online blog news. guest: i had not heard that. climate where there is sensitivity about spying on allies or vice versa, it would be understandable why .ot much is being said i do not know for which you are saying is accurate. i have not seen that story. there's a lot of information on the