if you look at jed graham's numbers and suggest that maybe you've had about 100 sthourks people who have been pushed down from full-time work to part time work. one out of every 15 workers has had their hours cut. this is a penalty that's not going to be in effect for another 14 months. i think you could see some measurable effects from this. i don't think you're going to see millions of americans pushed out of work. >> one out of 1,500 is a smaller percentage than the amount of times it has been provoked in the debate. that's crazy. we had our incredible, incredible producers and tape editors who are searching through this today. it's a gold mine because it is said all the time and it's one of these facts that becomes truth or repetition that i have heard back to me in diners, in bars. these are people who said my cousin got his hours cut because of obama care, it is death out there. >> chris, we looked at this because my mother is a big fan of you, and msnbc in general assured me that that was happening because she went down to the movie theater and they were cutting everyone's hours s