this is a reconstruction of the ship that was built in the winter of 1812, 1813 for the battle of lake uri. wrest control of lake erie. timberip incorporates from the original. they are not structural, not loadbearing, but they are embedded in the frame between the pieces. a symbolic presence of the original ship. what is original about the ship is the way that it sales. the ratings, the work the crew has to do, is very much what the seamen had to do in 1817. we teach history, we teach people and appreciation of the war of 1812, the maritime history of the great lakes. really, most of the learning that takes place on board is about functioning as members of the ship's company. it is a real value now because it is a place that we can continue certain traditions, certain attitudes, abilities that have been with us for centuries. we keep that going here. the rest of the story this low-scoring"booktv and "american history tv" look at the history of erie, pennsylvania. we are back. our guest is anthony carnavale, the director for the georgetown university center for education in the workforce.