mike morrell was the agency's longtime deputy director before retiring last month. in a "60 minutes" interview, john miller asked morrell what he thinks of the c.i.a.'s enhanced interrogation techniques that many have described as torture? >> reporter: let me read you a list of some of the techniques that were used by the c.i.a. to get information. waterboarding. hitting. bouncing suspects off walls. confining them in small spaces. loud music. sleep deprivation. nudity. keeping suspects in physical stress positions. if these were americans being held overseas by a foreign power, would we have called that "torture"? >> i... i... actually, john, want to challenge you on the word "torture." my officers carried out the guidance that was provided to them in both administrations. and, obviously, that was different guidance. what's my view? my view was that those coercive techniques were the wrong thing to do. my view was that those techniques were inconsistent with american values. and for that reason, i don't think they should have been done. >> pelley: you can see john'

but one of the people we talked about that is mike morrell.ed as the number two man at the cia after 33 years. he was part of the damage assessment in the nsa -- that the nsa initiated to gauge the impact of snowden's actions. and he says the damage that was done here is historic. >> i do not believe he is a whistle-blower. i do not believe he is a hero. i think he has betrayed his country. >> how serious is hit is that to national security? >> the most serious compromise of classified information in the history of the u.s. intelligence community. >> because of the amount of it or the type? >> the amount and the type. >> but of the hundreds of pages of nsa document that is snowden has leaked, morrell pointed to one in particular that has caused a great deal of damage to u.s. intelligence. it's a copy of the secret document the cia calls its black budget. what value would to have to an adversary? >> the real damage of leaking that document was that certainly they could focus their counterintelligence efforts on those places where we're being su

was surprised to see who was on this past sunday former associate deputy cia chief under bush mike morrell had it unfiltered opportunity to speak about the decisions his agency made during one of most controversial presidents there's an american history and one of the most of the foreign policies employed during bush's time in office was the use of enhanced interrogation techniques better known as torture. if these were americans being held overseas by a foreign power would we have called that torture and i actually want to challenge you on the word torture my officers carried out the guidance that was provided to them. in both administrations and obviously that was different i guess what's my view. my view was that those coerces techniques were the wrong thing to do. wow the wrong thing to do or how do you have a change of heart now that you're completely powerless to do anything and i love how my challenge is the word torture so funny they don't consider waterboarding torture considering how japanese troops use the same tactic and against american soldiers and world war two and were exec

. >> former cia deputy director mike morrell says the biggest threat he sees to the u.s.n dysfunction. that's big from a guy that was with president bush during the 9/11 attacks and citing american greed as our number one problem, outfacing our economy. what do they actually want? francis wilkinson a member of bloomberg editorial board and lays it out in his recent column, i couldn't agree with you more. when you look at governors -- republican governors specifically and getting things done, chris christie, kasic or martinez, you can name a few that are in states that president obama won, but they have high approval ratings and they know what it means to work with democrats to compromise and the most recent obviously shaquille o'neal endorsement of chris christie. this is where the party should be looking to move forward. >> chris christie has been talking about bipartisanship a lot and doesn't want to be caught in the type of conflict in washington over and over again. if he wants to run for president is another matter because obviously there's a reason why everyone in w

. >> at the same time the former deputy director of the cia mike morrell was on "60 minutes" and he talked about the breakdown of trust and politics he believes is undermining national security. >> what really keeps me up at night is the inability of our government to make decisions that push our economy and our society forward. there's been a change from a willingness of the two parties to work together to get things done to today the two parties at each other's throat and simply trying to score political points. i don't know why that's occurred. >> doesn't the government shutdown play into this feeling that the country isn't working, secretary kerry spoke about it in a speech last week, undermining the way we are perceived around the world? >> i think there's a lot of validity to that. i appreciate the "60 minutes" story done on that. i thought they did a very good job and he certainly with his career. look, i sponsored a bill, andrea, that the president, then senator barack obama sponsored. i then sponsored it in the house. we passed it out of the house, it sits in the senate. i can't g