wi you support a discharge petion? >> no. mersllou i don't consider myself a moderate. i'm a reagan conservative. by the way one thing that tom graves and i can agree on is that the democrats in my mind are also being irresponsible here. the president of the united states as hand obligation to ge is doing a good job, but shed ahead of the country. he has an obligation to g involved. the fact is if this situations asri a iis, and i think it is as far as a default on the debt, he is an absolute obligation as president of the united states to get involved. >> sir, if you could answer my direct question, why won't you sign a discharge etition? >> it's not ggto a many. there is no way in the world you will get 25 republicans to go on that and as i said, they're not bargaining in good faith here. i'm tryng to make this work. i have been against this from a the ones who did shut the government down. "wall street journal" said we're kamakazi. and weushed obama reth side and other issues and the government is still shut down. >> senator graves? >> as he indicates we're unied beh

they engage their politician petions and it mindset and tax themselves and ran business out and smartout. o'd be onthe cusp of that, something very similar o what we saw maybe in detroit 50 or six years ago? >> are we close to that? i don't think so. charles: you just talked about this. right now the opponents are pulling in and your opponent, bill de blasio, is talkin about the rich people and wall street. if new york has embraced that, what is the logical conlusion? >> it is that they don't understand and relationship with w the world really works and howrevenues come in and how they are helpless keep the government in place and the social safety net that they fun we need to continue to diversify our econmy and so theeeds that mike bloomberg as in the high-tech industry. it is number two in high-tech companies and we need to expand that. we have the best medical schools in the coury. the scientists are not talking about this always, these are industries that we needdto have unlike detroit wich had all of its eggs in one basket. and when the auto industr decided to go elsewhere, ther