i think about robert frost's idea about the 25th pullen said that even though there is a whole collection of individual poems, the book itself becomes the 25th poem, the unified whole of all of the things. >> my father is also a poet, and thraw is a good dedicated to my father i think of as in many ways an intimate conversation held in a very public place in the book between me and my father. it's about the history of ideas of racial difference across time and space. things i think we still contend with in our discourse and everyday lives as well as the intimate discourse in families. my interracial family. >> pulitzer prize winner. >> not that one. >> right, right, in 2007 he won the pulitzer. >> yes. >> how is poetry taut across the schools now? is it still taught in schools? >> i don't know -- i don't know how much students are getting in school. i teach a freshman seminar at emory university. and my students have varying degrees of experience with poetry from their high schools. some have a lot more of it. some took creative writing as well as the study of petraeus literature in their