we have so much secretsy, massive overclassification that even president obama has recognized. he ended up classifying 77 million documents in his first year than bush had in seven. so i think having too many secrets, and having overclassification is a problem. >> stay here. next we cease fire. is there anything the two of us or even the four of us can agree on. we want you at home to weigh in. do you care if the u.s. spies on other countries? tweet yes or no using hash tag crossfire. i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your future? we'll help you get there. >>> we're back. let's call a cease fire. i think you guys agreed that secrecy is a problem. and we need some reforms to do something about it. but i also think the f

government was set up to balance the need for secretsy in some situations. part of the -- what we're seeing in the edward snowden case is that our institutions that balanced the powers lost and the accountability is gone. we had the head of the n.s. a. effectively lying to congress about the n.s.a.'s activity. the checks and pwalz and accountability seems to have evaporated here. and it makes edward snowden feel like the only way he can hold the institution accountable is by disrupting it. and that's -- i think the two major issues raised by the case are one the nature of secrets in the digital edge and what the implications for leadership and the citizenship and the secret balance and the second is the extent to which our institutions are completely unaccountable and that is what -- that frustration with holding these big institutions accountable is to use technology to see how to disrupt them. >> when you look at the affordable care act, for example, and radial connectivity. is the a. c. a. set up for a new world in your view? >> it's a mixed bag. it has t

>> when you join t cia you are obligated to secretsy and ceici secrecy and everything i write i have to go buby the cia. unlike "fair game" which had quite a bit redacted this one therthere are no black marks? >> back in 2003 you were a covert agent and you had to resign a couple of years later and you could go no where further at the ci all. dis -- cia.you went from a secro a household name, how massive was that transition for you? >> it was difficult. it took me honestly to come to terms with it. i had gone from being a very private person where secrecy and discretion is paramount. you don't do that job with hope or desire of public recognition. and literally overnight i was a public person and emmeshed in this partisan scandal. harder. >> it was very difficult. my husband joe wilson and i went through the wringer. it took me a while to realize at least if i am going to be a public person i can use my voice and speak uta out about things t i care about passionately like global zero for instance. >> unfortunately we have to go. i hope there has been a silver lining in all of this fo

and so everyone involved is cloaked in secretsy. but not necessarily the witness.on that we now know about this is because aaron hernandez's former roommate and university of florida teammate was actually sue pea in aed after a football game on sunday in massachusetts. >> do we know that his confession is gun related or is it murder related or something we just don't know? >> we really just don't know. but i can say in terms of a grand jury investigation, typically the target of a grand jury investigation is not serve the. so it is much more likely that he is a material witness into this gun trafficking investigation. >> they were roommates, too, right? >> they sure were. they were roommates, friends. apparently the pouncey brother, there's another brother, they were sort of responsible for keeping aaron hernandez oust trouble when they were all at the university of florida. they are friends of his and supportive friends. in mid-july, they got into some trouble for wearing "free hernandez" hats in florida. but they have apologized for that. marquee has said that he