keppel leaves florida thinking he would never leasee bundy aga. >> you don't have to answer this question, but if and when tedelings be? >> i don't know what they would be right now. i'll tell you more about that when it happens. >> but four years later, keppel returns. bundy is still on death row. keppel wonders if he can finally get bundy to admit to something. keppel visits the prison unannounced. this time, he doesn't want to talk about the green river killer. he wants to talk about ted bundy. >> he didn't know why i was there. the only reason i was there was to talk to him. i didn't have a reason other than that. >> how does a detective talk to somebody without judging? >> that's hard. that's very hard. the scary thing is you have to have real empathy, real, not phony. not just call him by his first name and give him coffee and give him cigarettes, the standard procedure of putting a guy at ease. there has to be an empathy. it sounds lax in judgment. >> they have a particular view of the world you have to discover. why does this one guy not want to talk about the 12 and 13-year-olds he may have killed. h

son of sam and ted bundy and charlie manson has a groupie. absolutely crazy. and greg. i know you are not a relationship expert or a psychologist but do you have insight in to. and it may not show what your women are saying. they have a history of abuse and a lot of these women want to be very controlling and the guy who is behind bars and spend all of his time in telephone calls and there is a psychiatric term and women who are you know, attracted to people who commit crimes that are sexually alluring to them. go figure. >> this is a terrifying ride. just when the folks got up the courage to try a new roller coaster, it got stuck for hours, we'll tell you what went wrong. >> growing outrage over how the u.s. government is treating families from the fallen heroes and now a private foundation is stepping in to help. is this the right way to go? . >> this is a national disgrace and there is no other way to put it. what we did today was step in. because these families have suffered enough. you want a way to help minimize blood sugar spikes. support heart health. and your i

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after i won a bunch of spot news awards for my reporting of ted bundy, including some homicides, thect l.a. herald examiner hired me to do crime. my paycheck in tallahassee was a kingly ransom. but the $20 bumper week put me in a hand to mouth situation. i rented a bungalow near fairfax. and soon after it was broken into on repeated days, the worst being when i came back from covering a sniper in san diego, one of the horrible school homicides by a girl named brenda experience. when i returned from san diego, there was nothing left, nothing. cleaned out. so all i had were the clothes on my back and my car. i was evicted immediately. so we begin the odyssey where i would try to bum a room here or shower there and try to get enough money to augment my wardrobe. i refused to go home and dug in my heels for duration. when i would meet someone of the opposite sex and was lucky to hear your place or mine, easy answer. but there were many nights camped out in the back bench of the car you saw yesterday. the lowest of the low points, i would stay at a truck stop. i had to borrow a .22 calibe