there was a prosecution of alberto gonzales who was one of the most successful data preachers on the planet and still may hold that record convicted and sentenced to 20 years. but when he and his reign were taken off the line according to the verizon report, there was an international drop noticeable in the data breach activity, so we do know in fact going after the matters i would say we are doing that. i was looking that more. >> i would agree with you. >> i told mary knox to put me first and i'm kind of regretting it now. and frankly i don't do cybersecurity conferences anymore because for me it is a lot like groundhog day. think of the two levels of opponents into the alberto gonzales th they are the feasibe in a there are measures to defeat them. think of the high-level opponents. they are 20 or 30 criminal groups largely in russia that have the fsb equivalent, pardon me, rushing intelligence service. they are unstoppable. there is nothing you can do. if they want to get and they are going to get in. they are going to be on your tail in 30 minutes. can you beat that? we have a h

memorable nightmares like the harriet miers nomination and john ashcroft as attorney general, and alberto gonzales as attorney general, the guys who were never household names are also still amaze anything retrospect. president bush put this guy in charge of the office of legal council, in charge of giving the president advice on whether or not his actions are legal. >> the hand-in decision implicitly does recognize that we're in a war, that the president's war powers were triggered by the attacks on the country and that law of war paradigm applies. that's what the whole case was -- >> the president was talking about the nuances of the law of war are paradigm. he was saying this was going to tell him whether he could keep guantanamo open or not after what he said, they said he could. was the president right or was he wrong? >> it's under the law of war. >> was the president right or was he wrong? >> the president is always right. >> the president is what now? it's amazing for anybody to think the president is always right despite virtue of him being president. but when you're in charge of the offi

there was a prosecution of alberto gonzales who was reputed to be one of the most successful data breachers on the planet and still may hold that record. he was ultimately convicted and sentenced to 20 years. when he and his ring were taken offline, according to the verizon data report, there was a international drop, notionable, in data breach activity. we do know going after actors matters. i'd say we are doing that. i would love to do that more. >> i agree with you. >> i told mary not to put me first and i regret that now. i don't do cyber security conferences because for me it's like "groundhog day." there are regular opponents like albert gonzales. they are defeatable. there are measures you can do to defeat them. think of the high-level opponents, ssb. there are 20 or 30 criminal groups largely in russia that have fsb equivalent capabilities. fsb, russian domestic intelligence service. they're unstoppable. there is nothing you can do. if they want to get in, they'll get in. sharing information, they'll be on your tail in 30 minutes. can you beat that? we have hard set of opponents. yo