. >> bruce ratner, terrific guy, helps at are thewalk and mrapss, benefit, but behind the scenes, goinghe lens that you were describing, yes, you have bush cutting federal resources. it wasn't until, you know, bloomberg came in and said i will reduce homelessness by 2/3. almost immediately after cut off all federal resources you see. skyrocketing. >> you think? that money didn't materialize. >> i think that it is a very different philosophical approach. i as the you said, run the co-legislation for many years. you have bad apples no matter where. they're a tiny minority. there aren't people coming in to game the system. what they say across the board is we will not provide housing we believe that will induce more people to come into the system. >> can stand in vocation. >> they stopped the housing people keep coming they don't have anywhere else to go to. they're in genuine need. no way to exit. you have no families. staying for over 400 days on average. what that does to a child is pretty, pretty grim. so the gold standard if you want to take a step back nationally what works the best