dr. tiller said trust women. dr. g i'm going to go out and force you into a 20-week abortion. it was about trusting women. particularly on a kind of ethical basis, how can we make an aet cal, moral, even a religious claim for you must give women an opportunity to be full human beings who make these difficult choices? >> exactly. when you near a pate riarchal soelt and still ynr a society women can't make decisions for themselves because men say you can't or other women say we need to let men make decisions for us that's simply not true. i'll break it down. allow a woman to have her own conscience to do what she sees fit in consultation with her doctor and everyone else. these things have happened for last 40 years because it's been a sprefk strategy. whether we're talking act capturing a local clinic or hospital, now they're trying to capture entire states, okay. and now in the case of albuquerque, let's start in albuquerque -- >> start with the city. >> start with the city. what we don't seem to understand is this is

dr. tiller was murdered, they didn't like it. they didn't like the screaming outside the clinic from people just trying to access medical care. >> as we talk more about the supreme court and it was that 5-4 decision with the court rejecting this appeal by planned parenthood and others to block a provision in the texas law that requires abortion doctors to have admitting privileges in a nearby hospital. however, the case still moves on, correct? >> yes. >> because as i understand it, on appeal to the fifth u.s. circuit, arguments are expected in january. how -- based on the heels of this is it expected to move forward again to the fifth circuit? >> well, this just shows how incredibly important the federal judiciary is right now. we've seen all of these showdowns in the senate about president obama trying to get federal judges confirmed. a very basic presidential duty. so the fifth circuit is known to be very, very conservative. it wants to overturn roe v. wade. so the appeals trial in january is expected to not go in favor of the

dr. tiller came to protest in albuquerque.t something like this on the ballot and went from there. >> so it will have to remain to be seen if other cities are susceptible to this. sarah, real quickly, what is the progress that you're seeing from catholics on this, especially given the direction that we're seeing with the new progressive attitude that's coming out of vatican city and pope francis? >> yeah, we've heard from catholics on the ground there in albuquerque. they are not happy that the knights of columbus, that their local catholic hierarchy have been pushing this ban. they don't want to hear about these kinds of issues in the homily during mass, at their ministries. they want to be able to vote their consciences and will vote against this ban today. >> irin carmon and sarah hutchison, thanks for being here, i appreciate it. >>> chris christie is talking but are republicans listening? it's time for the poli side bar. governor christie has tough love for his own party. during the annual ceo council said, the possible 2