dr. tracktenburg's institution by 10 to 15 -- it's bottom line by 10 to $15 million a year. those were his ideas. he never did that at george washington university. so i understand some of the reasons for that, but maybe we need more of a culture of inning know vague. so what i'm looking for today is how do we encourage a culture of innovation in our 6,000 institutions, without throwing a big wet blanket over -- that smothers you by giving you an order from washington that may work at austin peete, but not the university of maryland. how do we do that? how do we get out of the way? i look fword very much to this. and i thank the chairman for the hearing and for these excellent witnesses. >> thank you very much, senator alexander. i listened very carefully to i listened very carefully to your opening remarks. captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2008 captioning performed by vitac