something like james glassman and he had a great time wished he could do more. it is harder -- they have looked out generally at -- they do not use career people there, so to find the right person who is out there who they think can do the job -- meaning the state department -- it takes a little more time perhaps then something else. but probably every case is separate, individual-swise. judith came in quickly when obama came in. they moved quickly to bring her in as fast as the confirmation process would allow. i am not sure why on an individual basis the others took so long. i wish it were not like that. hi, walter. i wonder if you can describe some of the ways in which your program in saudi arabia tried to foster civil society. >> ok. i was here in 2006, 2007, when we had spent back bitter terrorist attacks earlier. the saturdays had done a lot for it -- the saudi's have done a lot for it. we had a view of what the united states works, that there were some things that they could see that would be worth borrowing. part of that was just exposing people to the u