mr. murdoch and his family. and i just visited him today, and he looks very good. >> rose: he's in good shape. >> he's in very good shape, yes. >> rose: what about succession? >> i think succession, god forbid something happens to mr. murdoch, there is a board of directors that has very able people that could really take over, and his son, james, is a very capable person. and as i told you last time on your show here, god forbid something happens to mr. murdoch, i think james is rupert number two. >> rose: he's your guy to succeed rupert if something happens? >> yes. >> rose: nothing has changed. >> no. consistent. >> rose: sta corp, how does that work? you met with the c.e.o. of citicorp. >> clearly the result of citi in the last two quarters have proven to be a success and the strategy of not increasing revenues, maintaining revenues in this tough environment and controlling costs-- they're reducing costs, which makes the operating leverage positive. >> rose: what do you think of jp morgan and all the fines th

mr. president, and he points to an article at the bottom, he goes, i can't believe the dodgers would even dream of being bought by murdoch! and reagan was enraged that, you know, the team might -- that murdoch might be able to buy the team. >> it wasn't what they said about him but what is happening to the dodgers. >> he just didn't care what people said. he knew what he believed and he was willing to fight for it. chris christie is the same way, christi city came on our show, 32, 33 percent approval rating and i said, because we had a good relationship immediately, i said, chris, i am a conservative, i am a tough guy but you keep doing this stuff. you are not going to get reelected, you are at 32, 33 percent you may not -- he said, i don't careecause i really don't care, joe, i am going to do this for four years if they want to reelect me, they don't reelect me, and if, if they don't, i don't care. we can read politicians and read people and i thought oh, my god, he really believes it. this man is going to be a force in politics. and sure enough, he was. he kept his head down and -- >> rose: four years ago, you know, wh