i think it is a worthwhile and virtuous effort. >> who are some of the people besides norman lear and alec all baldwin -- andc tried to think of others on the board. >> mary frances berry, a longtime and well-known civil rights leader. >> michael keegan. >> he's the president for the people of the american way -- people for the american way. members of the clergy, probably from the baptist church, rabbi david from the jewish religion. ande is a catholic priest congressman. >> kathleen turner the actors. >> some people from the arts. people from politics. people from the clergy. a pretty wide range and wonderful group of people. >> how effective do you think you have been? >> i would say them, not me. they do the work. i am on the board. i wish i were a little bit more active. i would like to take it for their work. i think i'm -- i think it times they have been terrific and at times not so much so. at the the directive people for the american way is important and maybe even profound. i think very important, not dayssarily effective every but certainly no long run. >> there are people

. >> norman lear, 20 years ago, people for the american way, former television producer and you're on that board of able for -- of people for the american way. fit it all together. he is talking about some of the violence on the shows you have . i haven't seen some of them. i saw one episode of "breaking bad." where does that fit in? that was 20 years ago. have things changed? >> that was 20 years ago. people for the american way is, among many things, meant to protect freedom of speech and i am a proud, long-time 20-year- plus board member. and i admire the work that norman set up and that people for the american way carries on because they are vigilant. they do not take the first amendment or the freedom of speech for granted. they do wonderful work. the question of television violence, it is interesting that -- the clip -- it will be a complicated answer on my part. we do have some shows that, in a narrative sense portray violence. and i don't know what impact they have on people's behavior. there may be experts to understand it better than i do. i have a personal opinion and a que

norman lear. >> rose: what do you do?rac your family tree back to the -- until the records disappear then we do your d.n.a. and your d.n.a. will tell you your percentages of european, native american, and african, charlie. you're from north carolina. lot of strange things happened at watering places down in north carolina during slavery. do you think you h slaves? do you think you had slaves in the family? >> i doubt it. i doubt it but i don't know. i really don't. i'd like to know. speaking of slaves, you advised the great steve mcqueen, the director, the film director on "12 years a slave." >> rose: didn't he do a brilliant job? it was amazing. do yo know that that book -- i have a series of penguinbooks called "black classics" and we published that edition. >> rose: is that right? of the original book. >> it sold 40,000 copies last mth. >> ro: that's because of the movies. >> yeah, we sold more copies me a month than in 150 years. it was a best-seller at the time but it sold 30,000 copies. >> rose: tell us what it tell