one person who is upset about the ban, peter suderman. ter, give you trans fats or give you death? why are you not on board with today's decision? >> it seems like this is the sort of thing that really ought to be an individual decision. it also, you know, we don't know exactly what the fda is going to do here, but if the fda really plans to completely eliminate trans fats from this food supply, that goes a lot further than any of the city-based bans that we've seen so far. even new york's ban, supposedly, ban actually allows for small amounts of trans fats to be used in recipes. >> so, i want to get at this sort of bedrock idea that this should be an individual decision, right? you have this product, you have this chemical. people have very limited awareness of what it is or whether it's in their food, a. it also is just massively destructive. i mean, we are talking about, you know, all the science on this says, this is really, really clogs up people's arteries, bad cholesterol, it causes lots of heart attacks. there is no safe level that

peter suderman. goldie, let's start with what everyone seems to be talking about right now.rtin. spoke out for the first time today. incognito talking to fox sports in an interview that aired a short time ago. this is just a snippet of what he had to say. >> this isn't an issue about bullying. this is an issue of my and john's relationship where i may -- i've taken stuff too far. i did not intend to hurt him. when the words are put in the context, i understand why a lot of eyebrows get raised. but people don't know how jon and i communicate to one another. >> goldie taylor, people don't know what their dynamic is. do you buy his explanation? >> i don't buy him a bit. at least the people at nebraska and the people at oregon programs from where he was outright cut, certainly understood the context. at the end of the day if you or i did what richie incognito was accused of doing here we would be without a job. to say this is normal locker room banter, you know, i think it's over the line. if you threaten somebody, if you get into physical altercations, if you use the "n" word w