i couldn't find an ecology ballan google images. but i think one of our problems is that liberty has become a bit of an abstraction. and when you ask what about liberty, well what about liberty? we don't know that we have a loss of liberty and i'm going to talk more at the end about how we can address that. this whole idea is one of the big d dates. the second is limited government forces the big government and there is a quotation reminding us that this has always been part of the american republic from the declaration of independence about king george read. jefferson writes that he is a multitude of nuances and swarms of officers to harass people and i think that could well be said of today of the big government. and we said just in our book that there are two ways to look at the big government forces limited government. there is a quantitative way. in fact there are several quantitative and then there are qualitative issues. on the quantitative side that there would be lots of ways i think to add up how the big government has bec