and as elliott was saying about bandar and bush, it's best to lead them, guide them, influence them. but at what point when the saudis are saying, as elliott was describing, at what point are they right? it's either we need you as the superpower leading, or you're wrong on syria, you're wrong only iran. so how do we distinguish the noise from when they're correct? >> look, i mean, you could argue -- and be they would certainly argue -- they're already right in this regard. and i would just respond in terms of, again, back to u.s. strategic interests and how, again, having a clear plan of then how does this end and where does this go. can -- if you wanted to go into an all-in strategy in the way that, again, i don't think -- it won't happen. i almost, can almost say for surgeon just based on my own assessment. from the u.s. side. >> yeah. >> look, you look at sort of the fallout from what would have been a failed vote in congress, i think, on very limited strikes. so selling this case to the american public will require a fundamental change in something that happens on the ground of,