you democrats will push.we're going to vote for this thing, make it pass, we should be able to help americans. >> let me pile on to just a minute. the other thing is under new federal employees will be paying about five times more than current workers into their pensions. i'm -- this has got to worry you. >> it does. absolutely. these are things that republicans insisted on that i did not want to see. this is not a deal that makes everyone happy. the difficulty is this -- do we want to see another republican shutdown of the government or move forward? a lot of us would rather have solutions than not, but to the degree that the republican majority is going to try to sneak in things through the back door that don't include what was part of this budget deal, then i think democrats will say then you should be helping americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own. >> i haven't heard of anybody trying to sneak in anything. >> let me tell you what's being discussed. >>> i want to take a step back,

the democrats sure ain't doing it. i am a democrat. guys here are making government so big with all their agencies. they talk about helping the economy. but yet they have that website for obamacare and they spent the money in canada. how does that help us? you do any work in orlando? caller: i am retired. host: from what? caller: i was a meat cutter. i have lived here since 1953. host: thank you for calling in. times" thisshington morning. host: marked the scalia from clemens, ohio, independent line -- m aric is calling in. caller: thank you for taking my call. i believe there will not be a change until we reform immigration. you will see an entire staff of immigrants. no americans. entire staff of immigrants. i know some people who work with these people. most of them say their documents are not legal. they pay a certain amount of money and somebody fakes these documents for them. i would like to agree with a couple of ladies who called in about we need a breath of fresh air. hillary clinton is not what we need. the democratic party i

you've got to stop electing democrats. the democrat party is responsible for this.hat the democrat party derives its power from. this is what it feeds off of. they run the education system. you just described it. and you're exactly right. you just described it. they're not teaching. they're indoctrinating. they're turning little young skulls full of mush into loyal, rabid, liberal democrats who are being trained to also hate and despise conservatives and republicans. it's all part of the mix. >> think president obama likes his job? >> i have no idea. i don't know him. i've never spoken to him. i don't, i don't know how to read those kind of tea leaves just watching him. all i can do is read what other people have written about how he doesn't show up early or whatever. i've read people say that the job's beneath him. he really needs to be running the world, to be challenged, to be invigorated. the united states is chump change. he needs to be united nations. i don't know what's true. i think he does and is relishing the opportunity to put into play what leftists have

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they hate democrats, but the democrat may bore -- neighbor is ok? i think there is a difference between how people see parties and see their neighbors. that is wrapped up in where your kids go to school, where your job is, whether you like old or new homes. >> there is something to that. at the same time, it is probably more of a factor in terms of shuffle. that is having a bigger impact on how people interact, and who they talk to about politics, especially. if you have friends, neighbors, and coworkers who support the other party, you may still be friends, and you are kind of stuck with being neighbors and coworkers unless you move or change your job, you do not talk about politics with them anymore. i think people increasingly talk about politics and use social media to interact with other people who share -- especially people who care about politics. the more you care about politics, the more that is true. franklin is sitting over there, and the surveys he did in wisconsin before the recall included the question, did you stop talking with somebo

louisiana and all vulnerable red state democrats. of the party that has to defend the senate. i want to start with the primaries. basically if it wasn't for the senate primaries, would you be more nervous? i didn't bring up georgia. they are the one lone seat. the democrats have a shot at it because of a messy republican primary. without the primary, democrats would be. >> that's right. i also think that the problem they face which is endemic is not just upset. it's in the house and why the brand is so terrible. it's because of the tea party. even without the primaries that change in these state, the republican brand still has the problem. >> what republican you run against. >> it's easier to run against a tea partier because they tend to let their campaigns on good and unforced errors. you have ted cruz. it's not always the case. there has to be something about republicans regardless of whether the tea party establishment is running. >> in many ways. >> how close are they? nobody expects him to lose, but if he wins by five versus 20

conversations of great minds with tim carpenter tim is the co-founder and national director of progressive democrats were america he graduated from cal state university fullerton with bachelor's degrees and history and political science and was a key organizer for the presidential campaigns of reverend jesse jackson and governor jerry brown and served as deputy national campaign manager in the ku soonish for president campaign back in two thousand and four in two thousand and seven tim was named progressive activist of the year by the nation magazine and recently here in washington d.c. was honored by a number of members of congress including john conyers. keith ellison and others. joins us from. amherst massachusetts tim for the we've got a problem with the video feed apparently the camera is way into tight on you so we're just going take your audio for a minute but first of all walk of the program. i think someone here if you will get the video but we're here yes we got audio there you go thank you. and thank you might just tell whoever's there if they can just pull the camera back i think that's

that's not republican or democratic women but all women. focusing on the fact that we should be able to control our reproductive health, which includes birth control, not just abortion, that's the winning issue for democrats and where we should focus all our attention. that has the ability to attract the most broad coalition of voters. >> you have to get beyond the abortion debate. it is not a slam dunk even among women. it's still sort of a 50/50 issue in the country. have democrats made a mistake focusing so much of their war on women rhetoric by not broadening it out, as zerlina said, to hit the idea of contraception? >> i think they are moving into the contraception realm. it's interesting that the democrats are moving into the economic agenda for women and really trying to draw, i believe, a sharp distinction between democrats and particularly going on in the house of representatives and republicans as economic issues not just fair pay for women, equal pay for equal work and paid sick days and paid extended leave, but child care, which

i think democrats want to increase. if the republicans choose to be stay tuned and don't go along with it, the blame will be from the american people to them. we sea in the last two days, a cbs boll, gallup poll, american people overyelp support an increase. so what i think -- >> that's not going to solve -- >> you're going to have this interesting political year where democrats will be talking about how to help the lower middle class, and all republicans are going to want to talk about is how do we prevent people the reps have not put anything on the table. >> that's absolutely not true. >> there's 15 bills that have haven't been acted upon by the senate. all address infrastructure, jobs, trade, energy infrastructure, they have to do with how we stream did not line regulations for small business so they can flewish and grown. >> and democratsing have corresponding bills. >> one at a time. >> populism, it makes for very short-term political benefits of it, but is it really going to address the fundamental problems we ha

the american people decided to give the democrats -- not to give the democrats the house or to restore the filibuster proof majority they had in 2009. democratic colleagues don't like that one bit. the american people are getting in the way. so they are trying to change the rules of the game to get their way anyway. they said so themselves. the senior senator said they wanted to fill up the d c circuit one way or the other. fill up the d.c. circuit one way or the other. and the reason is clear. agenda runsama's through the d c circuit. he can't get what you want through congress because the american people in november 2010 said they had had enough and issued a national restraining order after watching two years of this administration unrestrained. now the agenda runs through the bureaucracy and the d c circuit. now a legislative check on the president. the administration doesn't much like checks and balances. they want to circumvent the people with an aggressive regulatory agenda. our colleagues want to facilitate that by filling up the court that will rule on this agenda. a court that

here you have democrats -- democrats, the point is the democrats win. we won.ly preserve the social safety net that made this country great. >> democrats are winning outside of washington. senator warren is the only one of senator warren on capitol hill. when you look on the right, the tea party, you can loose, since 2010, there are a lot of tea party people on capitol hill. unless and until senator wore ren has reenforcements of people coming to washington and some of these folks who are now speaking out against third way, if they then back up their criticisms of third way by standing directly behind senator warren and giving her some beingup, then i think what you are talking about. >> that is perfect. we will pick this up after the brick because there were some on the left are saying they sensed a change, a pivot in a way from the president this woke closer to the warren campus. some of the things that he said in a speech this week. we will play clips about that and talk about that and also the idea of maybe the equivalent grass roots movement towards the st

there is the question of whether any democrat can pull in auliffe and do something democrats had not been in the obama era. win with the voting coalition without the president himself on the ballot. i pulled that off in virginia. house and senate will testify between the two parties. which will be more powerful than the attacks on the insablt to govern. the health care law. the public wants to punish and not sure about the reward. the last time they felt like it was in 1992. there was a republican president who seemed out of touch and a democratic party who had broken the party's brand of 40 years in power and looked like they were corrupt with the most famous at the pop of the ticket. voters didn't reward the majority. clinton won 43%. he picked up house and senate seats. the majority of americans say they belong to neither party. a rarity in decades. they have a huge problem and if they don't watch out, they have outside a political force. a gaggle of political junkies. 2013, 14, 16. all on this agenda. politics planner. you are watching a special year end edition of the daily run

the democrats in congress, the democratic brand? all the democrats especially in red states? >> we know it's bad for members of the president's party when his approval rating is lower but we've seen some get hammered at midterm even with high approval ratings. the small number of competitive seats is good. only 6% --% in the election coming up that have split their tickets in presidential and house races recently. the you know side is limited by that fact. gwen: we move to secretary of state john kerry who's been bouncing to and fro. he stopped in washington long enough this week to win a small concession from congress. it will not impose additional sanctions on iran for now. this was the secretary's appeal. >> we're asking to you give our negotiators and experts the time and the space to do their jobs and that includes asking you, while we negotiate, that you hold off imposing new sanctions. now, i'm not saying never. i'm just saying not right now. gwen: but that is just a portion of the meal on kerry's plate. there are the peace talks, the war in syria and it's not the seco

that it you've got bill clinton democrat, now we've got barack obama democrats. not the same thing. ronald reagan famously said he didn't lead the democratic party, the democratic party left him. all right. what we're now finding out there are liberals that we always understood is traditional liberals and now there are progressives which is the left wing of the democratic party. and these people are not singing from the same hymnal. i have to tell you, i've been talking more and more these days to traditional liberal democrats who say i'm going independent. this is not my party anymore. and i just can't really sign up for it fully. so i think the democrats are going to have a real internal debate going forward over just what that party stands for. a lot of people represent what those guys wrote and they're being pushed out. >> the liberals would say, the progressives would say actually we're winning elections, you know, we won the presidency twice on this agenda. bill de blasio won, elizabeth wa warren won, so what's wrong with that. >> as we said, barack obama,

democrats believe in government.collective will. it's the vehicle for helping people and helping each other. but we have to make it work. we have to have a government that's solvent and we need to grow the private economy. >> a lot of times people i talk to in the grassroots and watch nbc on twitter, they say it feels like the right gets right and more right and more right. and they worry there's no counterbalance on the progressive left. what do you say to that? >> what i say is that we saved progressive government in this country. memories are short, but in the '80s, democrats had the worst three elections any party has had in terms of electoral college votes in the history of american politics. had we not come back with a modern liberalism, in my view, we wouldn't be having this argument. but the key to having a liberal government is growing the economy and creating more wealth. >> i think that's a point of consensus. you remind me a little of kanye west. he also believes he's a savior. people can check out the bo

let's be clear of why the democrats are outraged. they are outraged because republicans had the temerity to hold the other political party to a standard that they established. but because we did, because we insisted we all play by the same rules, they came right back and said, then we will change the rules. the other side has said, we don't want to be held to the standards we established in 2006. and if you don't give us what we want, we are willing to forever change the senate. that is what happened today. we hear a lot of ultimatums around here. but this is very different. this threat is designed to hold the united states senate hostage. it is different because it is designed to hold hostage all of the senate's history and traditions. it is different because it relies on the goodwill of senators that don't want to see the senate as we know it destroyed or as the constitution writers intended. i will note that today's majority didn't always feel that way. the very way we have seen expressed today. not too many years ago, my colleagu

confounding democrats. washington wondering if the progressive capstone achievement may be their undoing. a freshman senator leading his party down a road its senior statesman would rather not go. we're going to try to make sense of the last 12 months. we start with another paradox of sorts. a cadre of young, political activists, mobilizing against the president's signature legislation. ♪ november 10th, 2013. a month after the obamacare exchanges opened for business. thousands of university of miami and virginia tech fans party outside sun life stadium. but this is more than a pregame tailgate bash. it sounds a lot like a call to civil disobedience. >> hundreds of people are going to sign up for obamacare, right? >> that's right. >> though 29-year-old evan feinberg, the president of generation opportunity, would deny that. you've been traveling the country essentially telling people, young people to ignore the law. >> no, not at all. >> oh, come on, evan. we have cameras following you around, you tell young

what do democrats have to do?ey rely on the get out the vote effort or do they have to knock on more doors and have a huge get out the vote effort? are they in trouble? >> both parties are going to have to do a lot of work for 2014 and 2016. in terms of rebuilding the trust and the faith and everywhere's feelings about the government. democrats have work to do and they troo have a tried and true method of getting it done. making the case for the proper role of government and particularly in helping those who can't help themselves. that message resonates. the poll results we are speaking about today speak to a general dissatisfaction across the generation and government for both parties. i think both parties need to heed the warnings that are reflected there. even with hispanics from the november 2012 elections and looking at november 2014, there is an expectation of a 3% up tick. that's important. that speaks to the power issues around immigration and economics and others that the community care about. both the de

if you are a blue dog democrat, you have earned the right to be a democrat.hat means you're in a lot tougher to district. i am a democrat for a reason. it would be easier in some respects to be a republican. i choose to be a democrat because we believe about people. we're trying to do the right thing. we're not trying to balance the budget on the backside of americans. it is the -- it is astonishing earned $250who million are considered middle class. we are still out of touch here in washington. it is ridiculous. blue dogs at a spectrum to the democratic caucus. we talk about a different way of doing things. we're fiscally responsible. that is the value that we bring. we are certainly a lot better than the republicans. host: how many are there of you? guest: we added three new members already this year. we got wipes down in the 2010 elections. we're are down to 17 or 18 members now. from a high of 60. it is a shame of -- what happened to some people. they were misinformed. people want to get rid of the problem solvers. those are the people you are more up. ho

it's not between republicans and democrats.t is between the entrenched politicians of both parties -- [ applause ] -- and the american people. if the path to getting this done depends upon convincing people in smoke-filled rooms in washington, it can't be done. the only way this happens is if we break out of traditional washington rules. >> reporter: getting this done means killing obamacare before it fully takes effect. >> before now and september 30th we need to stand up and defund obamacare. [ applause ] >> reporter: september 30th is when funding for the government expires. cruz says that gives congressional republicans extraordinary leverage. >> the house of representatives should pass a continuing resolution that funds every penny of the federal government, everything in its entirety, except obamacare. [ applause ] >> what are the senators telling you? >> there was significant resistance internally. a lot of people were urging that we had just come through the sequester battle and we need to focus on that. >> there is a n

imagine the democrats having to defend the irs. >> i like that. >> republicans go on offense and democrats go on defense. that would have been brilliant but they didn't do it. >> if there is one with area where nixon goes to china makes sense is on the tax code. republicans could take the lead on tax reform. they won't. the democrats are as bad as anybody else. this tax code has to change. neither one of them are willing to touch it. seems that for the republicans it would be a perfect deal for them. if they are going to say the reason is obamacare. >> we are not going to let that happen. they have to outline the penny plan. immigration, health care, where they stand. we are headed to $25 trillion in debt. we are robbing our kids and grandkids blind. that's a moral imperative that they can win by stealing money. >> when are they going to fight? >> that's the problem. >> where i will agree with bob is there is an opportunity but often times it's republicans and democrats who won't stand up and fix it. >> i said that. >> when republicans try, i will say this. when they have tried to save soc

it was the democrat's whole idea. mitch mcconnell not only miscalculated and made the wrong bet and cost the republicans their ability to block nominees maybe forever, his surprise tactics unveiled tonight for getting back at the democrats turns out to be the best way to prove the democrat's whole point in the first place. it is like he was hired by democratic bloggers to illustrate what is wrong with the republicans in the senate right now. with what is going on in the senate right now and what is going to be apparently going on this week and friday and saturday, i have to think the democrats are psyched. unless they're too busy being psyched on what is happening on the other side of the house. if there is one thing to take pleasure in your opponent's defeat, it has to be spectacle of them on the outside. the outbreak of war fare on what is supposed to be the inside of the fight, that is what is happening with the republicans today in the house of representatives. >> the most major conservative groups -- >> you mean

you know the idea that you need to help democratize other countries. as a way of insuring your own security and i think it's still very popular in the west but it is certainly i guess part of the always see mission especially since the collapse of the soviet union you've made some progress in that domain i wonder if you indeed agree with george w. bush in that that actively promoting democracy is not just a matter of your values or your ideology but it is indeed part of the security doctrine would say that but this is a concept that these agreed by everybody in your city we need to do should whose name refers to the promotion of democratic institutions if we have in our societies and in the structures of our countries checks and balances you have immense were. controlling somehow the decisions of the governments governments reporting to parliaments if you have democratic process is over the actions that the laws that make sure that government's duty flick to the will of the people then it is more difficult for a government to make a decision that can b

democrats don't like the sequester level. we feel this is an austerity budget that is doing damage to the economy. i think if we had an economy, if we had a budget that was making an investment in infrastructure and jobs and we were able to pass the president's jobs bill, our economy would have fully recovered from their session by now. so i don't think any of this is good economics. the only question is, is this less worst economics than going through with the sequester. >> wasn't the sequester good for you guys? wasn't the sequester good for democrats in that you got those defense cuts you wanted and you got to paint republicans as being cold-hearted, slashing those social programs. >> i don't think it was good for democrats at all. and democrats don't think it was good for the country. and we're not willing to trade even a short-term political advantage for something that's damage the country. a lot of us feel that the defense cuts are too steep too fast. they don't let it go that you more methodical way. there are still m

both of the senators are democrats.ow comes january, the attorney general general and lieutenant governor will also be democrats. this has not happened for 44 years. and this was in a state that was basically just a republican bastion, just a generation ago, a state that is now the premier swing state in america. the democrats just locked down a monopoly in the elected offices. you have to go back all the way to 1973, 40 years ago, to find the last time before now that virginia picked a governor from the party that occupies the white house. that is why at the start of this year, republican conventional wisdom said that ken cuccinelli was going to win the governor's race. democrats chose a very unpopular candidate, terry mcauliffe as their nominee. but now that is governor-elect terry mcauliffe. there is really not a modern precedent for what happened in virginia, calling into question the basic assumptions in politics in this area. and back in 2008, when barack obama became the first to win the office since 1974, he won

a democrat from maine voted against it. democrat from new orleans the, against.teve scully's, chair of the republican study committee voted against it. announced he is going to run against john cornman in texas. he voted against it. indiana -- those are some of the notes. our two guests are coming up, kevin brady, chair of the joint economic committee. and the manager -- and a member of the budget committee voted for the agreement. from "wall street journal" this morning -- next call comes from rob in arizona. what do you think about the house bill? good morning america. my name is rob from arizona. what i would like to say is --tly to do with percentages corporate taxes may be up to 23% will we have to get out of the budget he'll. ii, when kennedy put the corporate rate down to -- basically it is all about the taxes. if there is a big political -- from the the no national and corporate network to buy a more government -- that is a very important item. when the republicans cause ,rashes and everything else because they want to manipulate everything and have their

there's 53 democrats, with 2 independents that usually vote with the democrats. they're likely to keep open debate on the bill. democrats need just five republican votes. it looks like they have them. here are our numbers. we've got mccain, flake, collins, burr and ron johnson who've all voindicated they're going to vote to move the bill forward. at least four other senators are willing to vote to advance the bill if necessary. >> i hope it'll pass the senate. i'll do anything -- not anything. but we must not shut down the government again. we can't do that to the people of this country and my state. >> here's the question now. will republicans, particularly republicans in the house led by speaker john boehner, make the political calculation that the dividends that health care can pay them as a political story are worth avoiding other fights with democrats? particularly fights on immigration and the minimum wage. which democrats would like to exploit as wedge issues in the months before the election. on "meet the press" sunday paul ryan defended his bill from rep

so all of the things that the democrats want to do and all of the things that democrats want to poll are polling strong with the american people. so why not do the fight right now? well, it's too late to talk about that now. because the senate just passed this bipartisan budget bill, and i'm sure the president is going to sign it. he's not going to veto anything. and the other thing is that they all can't wait to get home and say they worked with the other side. that's part of it too. i believe that this was a bad bill from the start. because it doesn't address the most vulnerable in our society. it doesn't address those who have really paid a price and will pay a price in this recession recovery. we're getting better numbers all of the time. the unemployment rate is coming down. the housing starts are looking good. the market closed at a record high today. corporate profits are through the roof. things are getting better all the time. can't we just throw them one more, the unemployment in this country? can't we give them another 90 days? get your cell phones out. i want to know what

so i'm trying to figure out, where is the victory here for the democrats? i mean, in a deal there is always winners and losers. there's people that go in the back room and start high-fiving one another. i just don't think the democrats are high-fiving one another right now. >> well, you know, maybe not a high-five. maybe a high one or two. because there are sequester cuts that are being renewed. >> yes. >> and so, you know, there's people who are not going to get their unemployment benefits, and that's awful. there are some kids who are going to be able to go to head start who weren't able to go in the past. and so some -- you know, these programs, and we've written and talked about what was taken out of there, is not all restored. but some good was done from this. and i think there definitely is a sense here in washington that just getting the point where we can say there is not going to be a shutdown, there is not going to be, you know, one of those terrible sort of ridiculous episodes in the next 21 months, is a good thing for the country. it's at what c

is weighing down democrats. obama's own pollster sent out a memo to try to not speak about obamacare, and democrats up for re-election they're running away from obamacare. they're trying to distance themselves because they know this is a mess. >> steve, the democrats hold the senate by seven seats. these seven -- the republicans only need seven to jump and looks like the tide is going towards the g.o.p. >> no question if the election were held today it would be a disaster for democrats. democrats would probably lose the senate if the election were held today. i'm encouraged only by the fact we have 11 months between now and election day. i'm hoping 30 million folks who get health insurance for the first time will be democratic voters and the economy is improving. the unemployment raid in the low six% -- six percent by the time of election comes along. i'm actually looking forward to 2014. >> you're very optimistic. >> i'm telling you -- >> michelle -- >> a big improvement. >> allow me to read this from the democ

democrat j. rockefeller of west virginia the chairman of the senate commerce committee sent a letter to the department of transportation seeking a federal probe of the matter citing his concern about what appears to be political appointees to hamper their power. if the department of transportation gets involved, it will be the third body to study the scandal. the reason this scandal is exploding is simple. no one can explain why christy's allies ordered the lanes closed if it wasn't for petty political pay back. joining me now andrea bernstein. how big a deal would it be if this gets to the capitol hill. >> it's a big deal at any point when the story doesn't die. and i think that is what is the huge surprise for new jersey and these officials who seem to believe that they could do this and no one would notice, that they instructed officials within the port authority not to tell the director, not to tell the mayor of ft. lee. but there seemed to be a belief that they could contain this a and it ca

and the democrats have done it again. so the filibuster was not the problem, then why is the senate not functioning better? why are we so low in public opinion polls? frankly, madam president, it's because of the senate leadership. i've had the privilege over the years of watching the united states senate. i came here -- i came here for the first time in 1967 as an aide to senator howard baker, the future majority leader of the senate. i watched senator mansfield and senator dirksen. i washed senator byrd and senator baker. i watched senator daschle, senator lott, senator frist. i wasn't in the senate all that time. i've only been here since 2003, but i've seen it over that time up close. all of them, all of them could operate this body very well under the rules we had until thursday of two weeks ago. until november 21. i was at the rules committee meeting when senator byrd, former majority leader, acknowledges the great historian of the senate. he came. he could barely speak, but he had one last message for the senate, a

being a democrat in west virginia, i took an oath as governor to serve all the people, not just the democrats or those who voted for me. everybody. >> as you know, not a lot of that happens on capitol hill. >> i know. i keep trying. i keep saying if i can bring little west virginia common sense and let them see how we do things, maybe it will help. >> when you look at this honestly and look at the legislative agenda, whether it's gun control, whether it's mental health, when you look at immigration reform and the other things, climate change is another thing that the president pushed, realistically speaking, what is going to happen next year? >> i would ask the president to evaluate what his legacy would be and what he would want it to be. >> pretty much obamacare, is it not? >> i would like for the last three years to get our financial house in order. to really take it upon and him to grab this and say listen, no matter what we talk about, no matter what our personal agenda may be and he has a very robust agenda, none of it will happen unless can you afford to pay for it. and that bothers me

what do the democrats have to do?hey have to go home and explain why they're going to let 1.3 million people go off the unemployment rolls, people in their 50s, there's some age discrimination going on around this country. oh, you're overqualified. that's not the mba we were looking for. we have breaking news tonight. we are expected to see a vote at about 5:30 eastern time, the bipartisan budget deal, they're still talking it over. when the vote happens we'll bring it to you live. the deal is a rare show of what some people call a compromise between the republicans and democrats. why are we so anxious to get a deal? if it's not good, walk away from it. make the republicans fight for something. make the republicans the grinch of christmas, because democrats, you have everything in your corner to put them in that position. the budget is expected to cut the deficit by $85 billion over the next decade and fund the government for the next two years. there is no long-term extension for unemployment benefits in this deal wh

democrats won't deal with entitlements.epublicans aren't putting tax increases on the table. >> you're killing me momentum here, todd. >> yeah, well, sorry. >> nice cameo by our friend chuck todd. >>> up next, why it's time for the democrats to go on offense over the affordable care act. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> north korea says the uncle of leader kim jong-un has been executed after he was found guilty of treason. >>> and jordan brown pleads guilty for the murder of her newlywed husband eight days after the wed. back to "hardball." >>> right now what this law is doing is helping folks and we're just getting started with the exchanges. just getting started with the market places. so we're going to walk away from it. if i have to fight another three years to make sure this law works, then that's what i'll do. that's what we'll do. >> welcome back to "hardball." president obama is unquestionably playing offense on the health care reform law. and now fellow democrats some of whom have been runnin

how could the democrats have done that? well, there must have been something really good in this bill. and there's a lot of political calculation going on right now that they'll be able to overcome this. that they'll be able to come back and fight for another day. because on december 28th, these americans will stop receiving their unemployment benefits. this is real stuff, folks. this means that there's not going to be any money coming in the door. buy the food. what do republicans want these 1.3 million people to do? what's their advice? a new study released this week shows that the ripple effects could be pretty dog gone devastating. according to the national unemployment insurance law project, unemployment benefits kept 1.7 million people out of poverty in 2012. now, that's a fact. okay? there's no calculation there whatsoever. that is a fact. it is a hard number that unemployment benefits do good things for americans. the question is, can we find the money to continue to do it? oh, yeah. we can find the money. there's n

that includes democratic caucuses as well. i've spoken to democratic caucuses. system the caucus intended to bring out those folks who were more passionate. less compromising, less balanced. that is why all day sunday primaries look better to me. >> i want to pick up on this point that speaker swiggum mentioned. the power of the single issue advocate. it was rising in the republican party, have you seen arising in the democratic arctic? would that make it harder for democrats to vote for compromise that would step on toes? such as the entitlement programs. think there has been a growth of advocacy groups across the spectrum. many more than when i first started with the republicans. that is a constitutional right in this country. they are organized. hasnumber of people increased substantially. i think lots of them appeal to money for -- for money from a lot of advocacy groups across the political spectrum send out mailings to people. there is no ambiguity about what is right and what is wrong. >> does that make it harder to govern? if you were chair of the budget

ronald reagan said he didn't leave the democratic party. the democratic party left him. finding out there are liberals who are traditional and now progressives, the left wing of the democratic party, and these people are not singing from the same hymnal. i have been talking more and more about traditional liberal democrats who say i'm going independent. this is not my party anymore and i just can't really sign up for it fully. i think the democrats will have a real internal debate going forward over just what that party stands for. a lot of people represent what those guys wrote and they're being pushed out. >> the liberals and progressives say, we're actually winning elections. we won the presidency twice on the agenda. bill deblasio, elizabethway, other populist democrats are win. >> the most recent ones they won in new york and massachusetts massachusetts barack obama -- is that a formula for anybody or was there something special and historic about his campaign. you're not seeing it on msnbc among the louder members of the party, but you notice as far as i can tell t