>> here -- >> what fantasyland is that? >> you mentionled walmart. it would at about 50 cent for a shopping trip expense, very manage agent. >> says you. >> no, actually it says university of -- >> you add that to multiple items every week -- >> we're talking about employment. here's the key thing. the minimum wage has no effect on employment. you try to say it kills jobs. it doesn't. vermont, among the highest minimum wages in the country, among the lowest some -- and the lowest unemployment rates in the country. we have study after study that shows raising the minimum wage doesn't kill jobs. it boosts workers' wages, which is what we need to do. >> wait, wait, wait. >> i fundamentally disagree with you. econ 101, if you raise the cost of something, you get less of it. in fact -- >> every study has shown has recently reviewed this. the university of chicago school of business, hardly a liberal lefty organization, has studied the whole state of studies that have looked at minimum wage. they have found the overwhelming majority of them say that raisin