otis campbell doesn't teach sobriety campbells. government that can't build a website, you want to talk to em about hacking? 47% of the fraud in the united states is despite 24% of the usage. computer chips would help that. that's what we need to go to. as far as the ups, they hired 55,000 part-time workers, 23 extra jets, they still underestimated demand. the market will deal with them. congress dealing with them, good lord, get your own house in order, guys. >> all right. what do you say to that, david? >> i think it's ridiculous, a company, target or ups or any other, has to wait for a congressman or senator to say hey, how about tend to your customers, protect them against breaches on private data and give them a refund when you don't deliver on the promises that you said you would commit to with your customers. so go ahead and be like amazon, give your customers a refund and then work to protect your data. then we won't need government to tell us what to do or to tell them what to do. just do it. >> that's not fair. that is no