phillip agnew and ovik roy, thank you both for being here.hat is part of this strategy. i greatly appreciate it. i'm glad you've had the opportunity to break your fast and thank you for your contribution to this effort. >> thank you very much. thank you for having pe. >> thank you, ovik,ing if being here. i hope you come back. we always like an economics debate between marc morial and you. that's high "nerdland" activity. when we come back, nelson mandela's first visit to the united states after being released from prison and how he touched american lives both then and now. if you've got copd like me, hey breathing's hard. know the feeling? copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prost

i want ovik to answer for every single conservative. what is this obsession with austerity?tish economy. it has held back the u.s. economy. why are we still even talking about pursuing an austerity strategy, paul ryan and others in congress? >> there's different kinds. there's a tax increase based austerity and a spending cut based austerity. the more it's driven by tax increases the economic performance is harmed. back to a point larry said -- >> i want to stay with that point for a second. we've been focusing on -- >> we have been. our economic performance has been better. we've had a recovery. we disagree. one thing about what larry said, janet yellin is going to tackle bubbles through regulation. the federal reserve policy has been creating the bubble. the reason why the stock market and the bond market have been doing so well, real estate has been doing well is because of monetary policy. unfortunately, janet yellin's philosophy is to extend that. i think that's what's disappointing. >> i'm sure there's a lot of debate with that point. but we have to go to a break. comi