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martin luther king jr., ralph abernathy, angela davis, rosa parks, all of them were in a contest against the -- if you will, the devaluation of african-american culture and more broadly, wanted to embrace the rights of everybody in the way. so for -- you know, those who would then adapt to the civil rights movement. so for me, for the duck dynasty and others of their defenders to appeal to martin luther king jr. and rosa parks is a denial of the legitimacy of those movements. and it cheapens it, by the way. martin luther king jr. was not a christian in the same way these folks were christians. martin luther king jr. said this. i sometimes look at their churches and go what kind of god are you serving? if that's the god you're serving, don't count me in. when he heard that george wallace was supporting school prayer said i had to be against it. that's martin luther king, reverend dr. martin luther king jr., because he knew about dressing up your bigotry in the garb of religion as opposed to exposing yourself so that all peoples who oh fall above god recognize they're sinners and therefore

ralph j. osgood immediate school in kings park, new york. not just because it's awesome.t. i want you to listen carefully and then tell me if you notice anyone or anything missing. ♪ silent night, holy night ♪ all is calm, all is bright ♪ glor streams from heaven afar ♪ ♪ heavenly. >> did you catch it? no virgin mother, no child, no holy infant, no tender and mild. and definitely no christ the savior or jesus lord at thy birth. none of that. no way. because the school didn't want to offend nonchristians by singing a christian song. so they just left that whole christian part out. sort of. some parents were really upset by this, and the school has since apologized and is promising it's not going to happen again. i want to bring back defense attorney dany cevallos. during the commercial break, you should have heard these two. >> yes, we were. >> is there anything -- is there anything wrong with what they did other than it's annoying to hear a song excised in that way? especially if it's a christian song. is there anything legal when it comes to a school or school board deal

king jr. -- >> ralph abernathy, with all due respect, an incredible man but not nearly as talented or capableften are critical of charismatic authority and leadership. it's not that we want to oversell charisma as the basis for collective energies expressed by movements, but there's something to be said for a galvanizing figure in a way that enemies can hear it and allies can hear it. and now following nelson mandela's decline and death, it's extraordinarily important to figure out the next person. and they keep using "jojoshua versus moses. people tend to forget joshua did a lot, too. he went back in the river, pulled out stones so we can memorialize those people and how we got over. and i think there's been a disconnect. joshua and moses are much more intimately intertwined than people give them credit for. perhaps the move would be how can we foster at alliances we've built as a result of nelson mandela's presence there but also seek folks panned the influence. >> true. after mandela left office, did he become that iconic figure immediately? someone who couldn't be criticized and people di

and you can have ralph reid, like he did the other day, say that dr. king's whole career was about saying that it's only the content of your character and that it was a movement about families and not about politics and public change when anybody who's studied martin luther king's career for five minutes knows that i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its greed delivered on, you know, on the mall. he came to the mall to do that. this is about our public purpose. so to say that, you know, that he's, that he's an anti-government person too, um, is preposterous. but that's what happens when you -- we and they reduce everything to sound bites. the stories are key. you have to pick the right stories that people relate to. one of the reasons that i was obsessed to try to put down a storytelling record of this whole period is that storytelling things, things that are human are harder to refute. that's why we are all eternally grateful that in the depression that the roosevelt administration took those oral histories o