you don't want to say oh, scott maxwell that drove into the rock. >> well, that's bad. for the landing i was actually very confident that the landing was going to work. the guys who did that were just really brilliant. >> even though it was ludicrous. there was a crane and an airbag and a parachute and a rocket. >> it was absolutely insane. but the thing is, it's like the least insane thing you could possibly do. we've been landing things on mars in insane ways for quite a while now, and we've gotten pretty good at it. and we did it in just the right way. they went and sequestered themselves and just focused on the engineering. i was actually very confident that would work. >> what about the driving, though? you're in charge of driving a billion-dollar product that is millions of miles away. and it's all up to you. and if you crash into a rock, then everybody's fired. >> yeah. nfl has led $2.5 billion. >> fair enough. curiosity is $2.5 billion. >> sticker price. it's the parts. >> right, exactly. >> it's getting a repairman. >> right. but i, at the time that i started d