i can't let you off the stage without talking about stokely carmichael. >> okay, absolutely. >> stokely carmichael out of the late 60s and early 70s, he was the leader of the student nonviolent coordinating committee and he was one of the original black power people and my dad, who was a conservative republican presbyterian minister invited him to speak in 1966 much to this dismay of the power elite, and my dad really was attracted in a funny way and i try to understand why that is. because he was a conservative man and he loved the united states of america and i always felt bad he admired the pride and dignity with which these radicals confronted things, rather than taking this as the quietness. he was not, for instance, going to march 1962 and 1963. i remember hearing my parents talking in the living room and my father said they want us to go out there and be nonviolent. but if somebody comes up after me with the billy club, i'm going to try to kill him and then my daughter will be in a lot worse shape. so i think he was attracted to people like stokely. the one i was all the talk abo