of "your next big thing." >> you mean ben michaelis, don't you?s work. you think once the romance is gone, the relationship is dead. that's not the case. >> we we have to put a lot in, a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of self-exploration as well. >> why does that come as a surprise to people, ben? >> people don't realize when you're choosing to be with someone, you're choosing to be with the person and who they're becoming. as you change in life, a lot of effort is required to make sure the bond keeps going. >> what if you don't like the change? >> what if you evolve into something you don't enjoy. >> what if they start going down a path that seems dark to you and doesn't bring out the best in them, then what? >> that's -- sometimes is when you get some help from the outside to make sure you are working on something together, you have the same intention in the relationship. >> i think it is funny. some people are make -- they can say the right words and that's great, because you feel all warm and fuzzy, but it is more about when someone does