last month you suggested john cary could be a surprise candidate. any surprise that you would be a candidate. you ran a few years ago yourself. >> you have one shot. you don't keep going and going. i mentioned john cary. this was my opinion. i think he was a good secretary of state. he ran before and well. i don't know if he wants to do this. he may be mad at me. >> he is doing the secretary of state stuff. >> you had your issues with the clintons, you supported president obama in 2008 once you pulled out of the race. how is your relationship with hillary and bill? >> not too good. not too good. better with hillary than bill. you know, that's politics. i don't regret what i did. i think i made the right choice. hillary clinton will be a formidable candidate. i believe she'll run. you have someone like chris christie, who is a possible candidate. this incident will determine whether he makes it all the way. i think he's viable because of his record and his massive re-election victory in new jersey. if i'm a democrat you don't count the guy out. you h

all right, let's go to john cary, this statement is ignorant on so many levels, he said poverty is the terrorism in the remarks that he made. he talked about the common interests of the pope, pope francis, in addressing extreme poverty on a global basis. the u.s. is deeply involved in parts of the world, africa, south central asia, as is the catholic church. so we have a huge common interest in dealing with the issue of poverty, which in many cases is the root cause of terrorism and the disenfranchisement of many people on the planet. excuse me, does he not know that osama bin laden was a multi billionaire, and many people are that are radical? >> it is not political correct, it serves to offend some people. it is much easier for him to talk about poverty and also pivots into the obama administration's picture of income inequality. that sort of helps their big picture. >> and it is a deeply disturbed view of what terrorism is. and it sends a horrible signal to the world that is dangerous for america. because once you get into this, the roots of economic oppression are causing you to te