i would not depend on the school to fully train lawyers. that's a popular recommendation these days. i think that it's, i think that it's not well advised. i don't think it's what law schools can do very well right now, and if we refashion law schools so as to do that, we will be giving up an awful lot that's of value. i think it's a great service to the country and to future clients that we aim to educate lawyers and not simply train them. >> host: what's your solution to too many lawyers, as you say? >> guest: well, the law schools need to quit admitting so many law students, that's the obvious solution to that problem. i mean, it's an obvious solution. it's taking people an awful long time to get there, but we are getting there. law schools are shrinking. i haven't looked at the numbers in a while, but i'm sure it's over half of law schools in this last admissions cycle took this fewer students than they did the prior year. and so that will address the problem over time. it may be that some schools will close. no school to date has close

can have trouble right now finding lawyers. so this some ways the problem is a mismatch between middle class people who need lawyers for ordinary events in a lifetime -- writing a will, closing a housing sale, getting a divorce, negotiating a custody agreement with a warring spouse for the care of your children, etc. -- these are ordinary legal events that people in all economic spheres of life face. and many people have trouble finding lawyers to meet those needs. so the problem is not simply that there's an overabundance of lawyers, it's that we're graduating too many people who cannot simply move into pre-existing jobs, but who also cannot put together the resources and the skills necessary to go into a ordinary, solo practice so as to service the needs of middle class people who can't afford or law firm prices. that's theover arching problem. >> host: is there a disconnect between legal scholarship and the practice of the law? >> guest: there's certainly a disconnect as felt by the practicing bar. judges and lawyers increas

>> guest: they are graduating too many lawyers. over the last few years we have graduated somewhere around double the number of graduates as there are jobs the economy can absorb and this has created a serious crisis of underemployment and lo and planned for the graduates many of whom are competing with lawyers that have been squeezed al gore have been unemployed the last two or two years to feed this is the biggest crisis in all schools right now and is the number of graduates who have finished law school but who are not able to find jobs. >> host: is a teaching and structured in the right to view? >> guest: the problem is not that we are teaching it in a terrible or bad way. i think it is inadequate for some purposes and i've suggested a number in the book but i don't think the problem is the basic structure of law school. it's simply there are too many schools graduating too many people into the market that has become saturated. we need to cut back on the number of people who are attending and then graduating. that's the basic f

the lawyers have to defend their clients and i do not like what i call sara lee's lawyers. nobody doesn't like sara lee. i'm not sara lee. a lot of people don't like me including some judges and i think it is good that made. >> let me take you into some controversial areas. do you have any thoughts about the situation of israel? [laughter] >> thank you for that one. yes i do. there are three options with iran. one is that iran gets a nuclear bomb. that is a horrible option to consider. they already have the delivery system that can deliver the nuclear bombs to europe. they will have the systems that can deliver the bombs to the united states. they are potentially a suicide nation. one of the leaders, the liberal leaders said look, if israel were to drop the bomb, if iran were to drop the bomb and kill two or 3 million, israel would retaliate by dropping the bomb and killed ten to 20 million muslims and the trade-off would be worth it because that would wipe out the jewish state and islam would still survive. they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. the second worst t

you could be a rabbi or a lawyer. [laughter] i wasn't smart enough to be a rabbi, so i became a lawyer. so at age 16 and a half, i was a failure. and by age 17 and a half, i was at the top of my class in brook runs college with straight as. i never got a b. and i think the reason was i didn't change as much as the school changed. i went to a college where anything went. you could ask any question. you could raise any issue. whereas the high school i went to, you were punished, essentially, for raising questions that were heretical. so i really do think that brooklyn college saved me. look, if i had had better grades in high school, you and i would have been classmates because i probably would have tried to get into columbia. i was turned down -- wise decision based on my grades -- and i was so lucky that brooklyn college was a free school and had an exam that i took. one person told me i was smart, a camp counselor i had a lot of respect for, told me i was smart. that sunk in and gave me a little confidence. >> you on

this is the letter from stepien's lawyer. the very real possibility the act of producing these documents to link the chain of evidence that could be used to ensnare him in a criminal prosecution is more than a compelling reason to withdraw that subpoena and force him to become a witness against himself. clearly his lawyer there is saying there is a chain of evidence that would ensnare him in the words of his own lawyer's letter there in this criminal investigation is revealing as well. now, that doesn't go to the governor's state of knowledge, what he knew or didn't know, which is what the wildstein letter is. you put these two developments together and you have some real significant developments in this case. >> yeah, again, we want to confirm we have not independently confirmed any of this evidence. this is a "new york times" report. wildstein is looking for a deal. stepien is looking ahead towards a trial. you look at that sound from the governor, january 9th, i believe. he's a former ag. he's a man of the law. it is surpr

wildstein's lawyer's other assertions." now e.j., clearly we're parsing words here, because we don't know what other assertions he is denying. and the governor did not say only that he didn't have knowledge prior. he said he knew absolutely nothing about it during the lanes closings. not even that he was told it was a traffic study during it. so this would be an absolute clear contradiction if in fact the evidence exists. and i agree with steve, though. well don't know what that evidence is. >> right. and at some point, that's got to come out at some point. really what you have got is some parsing before, during and after. it would appear he knew nothing before. except that wildstein is suggesting this came from higher up in the administration. but the during part, wildstein seems to be saying he did know something then. the governor is saying no. and then after we don't even have any knowledge right now. i think from the wildstein letter about what might have been done to cover this up or push this aside. >> steve, your re

this supreme court needs a few real practicing lawyers, particularly practicing criminal lawyers, some who've worked on the defense but there are several former prosecutors, but the judges often are arrogant, they irrigated to themselves what juries should to comment and i think it's an unsettling relationship. they should be a contentious relationship between judges and lawyers. lawyers have to defend their clients, and i don't like what i called sarah lee bush. nobody doesn't like sara lee. i'm not terribly. a lot of people don't like me. including some judges. i think it's good that would. >> let me dig into some controversial -- less controversial areas. do you have any thoughts about the situation at issue in? >> really noncontroversial, thank you for that one. idea. i think there are three options with iran, or four options. one option is iran gets a nuclear bomb. that is a horrible option to consider. they already have the delivery system that can deliver nuclear bombs to southern europe. those and have delivery systems that can deliver nuclear bombs to the united states. they a

she switched lawyers today to michael critchley after her original lawyer discovered he had a con in incompetent that would not allow him to proceed in the case. what it looks like is she has switched from a very well wired into the christie administration lawyer to a lawyer who is exactly the opposite. he has a long string of contributions to democratic candidates in new jersey, including most recently apparently maxing out to cory booker's senate come pain, while not giving a penny to chris christie. so this is a real switch in the dynamics of her defense representation. >> well, you're right, lawrence. i think a key is something you alluded to before is that her original lawyer kind of suddenly said he quote, unquote, realized he had a conflict of interest. and the conflict of interest was he was an elected commissioner in new jersey. and that's not something you forget that you were. what people are thinking happened here was that he told him she might be interested in pursuing a deal and talking about higher ups in the administration and that would have created a conflict of int

lawyers. lawyers are killing themselves at alarming rates across the country.art, driven, and successful people who litigate life and death issues in america's courtrooms he have day. as rosa flores reports, some unnerving statistics showing the profession has a mysterious dark side. >> reporter: the string of obituaries seemed endless. one after the other. about 15 in all successful kentucky lawyers all found dead. >> to a large degree, it's been trial attorneys. the men are primarily middle-aged. >> reporter: but the biggest shock was yet to come. they're all suspected of taking their own lives. harry rankin, by hanging. jim didwoody, single gunshot wound. as for schwartz? >> how did he kill himself? >> shot himself upstairs here. >> reporter: we discovered similar patterns in montana, florida, north and south carolina, mississippi, ohio and oklahoma. which in 2004 and 2005 saw one lawyer suicide every month. the terrible outcome of high rates of depression, which this lawyer's colleague battled before killing himself. >> the biggest factor in the profession

have the lawyer or lawyers for wildstein explained what they say that evidence is? >> no. the lawyer for wildstein has not responded to follow up for request what the evidence is. what we know -- wildstein has already turned over a bunch of documents. wildstein turned over the documents that showed the e-mail from christie's office saying time for some traffic problems in ft. lee. in those documents that were turned over by wildstein in december, released in january, there's a whole bunch of redacted it statements. so he and someone else at the port authority and bridget kelly are discussing these lane closures and they are discussing what they should say to the press and what wildstein has been saying all along, i can by simply removing those redactions tell you a lot about this. >> there's unanswered questions. i'm going to place some of the sound in a moment of what christie said about wildstein, what christie said about his knowledge about the lane closures and chris is here and you tried to get in touch with the governor's office for some reaction and haven't been abl

xd you have a message for lawyers -- >> do you have a message for lawyers in the country?ter than you have been doing it as i have talked to a lot of women in that place and the lawyering is not at a high level, i am sorry to say. >> how many women were there? >> about 2500. >> do you have any thoughts about continuing to practice? debarred, and my legal beagle team will not be able to get me back in, and i really do not. i have to be this other thing first, the cancer. >> the letter that you wrote talking about prison being a loveless place, why you wanted to appeal. >> right, we felt we should do a personal appeal. we were doing in and around -- and end around. i thought maybe if i write a letter and put down just how mightle a place it is, it move him, and i do not know if it moved him, but he got the application at 10:00 a.m. in the morning and by 2:00 p.m. in the afternoon it was signed and back in the prison. >> you wrote "i want to be where all is familiar." where is that? >> right here. [laughter] foro you have a message aging and sick prisoners? >> they have to ha

your lawyer. the behavioral science consultation teams or biscuits helped interrogators exploit the physical and emotional vulnerabilities of the detainees these doctors were pulled out of clinical services and thrust into the role of consultants without any experience with interrogation. which. according to going to most standard operating procedures on arrival each detainee is isolated for four weeks and allowed contact only with interrogators and the behavioral science consultants in violation of the laws that down by the geneva conventions. for. human beings are social were creatures that for i have on communication with others connection with others so when you deprive someone of that you automatically start . raising risk factors for the kinds of reactions for reactions such as depression anxiety panic attacks suicidality in sort of more extreme cases and psychosis even and worse extreme cases. investigative journalists were among the first to expose some of the techniques recommended by the

you're a lawyer. the behavioral science consultation teams or biscuits helped interrogators exploit the physical and emotional vulnerabilities of the detainees these doctors were pulled out of clinical services and thrust into the role of consultants without any experience with interrogation. which. according to going time a standard operating procedures on arrival each detainee was isolated for four weeks and allowed contact only with interrogators and the behavioral science consultants in violation of the laws set down by the geneva convention. for. human beings are social worker creatures that thrive on communication with others connection with others so when you deprive someone of that you automatically start . raising risk factors for the kinds of reactions for reactions such as depression anxiety panic attacks suicidality in sort of more extreme cases and psychosis even in worse extreme cases. investigative journalists were among the first to expose some of the techniques recommended by the beha

>> i know his lawyer.n excellent lawyer. >> you know everybody. >> he is an excellent lawyer. if a-rod has a chance i think his lawyer will get it for him. it will be very difficult in the court though jie. what do you know about him? >> i know his lawyer. i will say whatever performance enhancing drugs a-rod has been taking they are definitely out of his system by october. that's completely cleared. >> baseball joke. andy, can't we just legalize this stuff. if strippers can get breast implants, why can't a-rod take drugs? >> i like that he had a very structured regimen. he was really serious about them. he should be for given. i am worried he will only make 2.9 million of the twenty million in his contract this year. can we set up a kick-starter for him? >> that would be nice. you know, his mortgage has to be in the millions. this will be tough. maybe he will get a normal haircut. i can't stand his hair. we have to go now. coming up, our last story of the night which andy has been trying to get us to do b

the lawyer. went to extraordinary lengths for his client to get the missing records and depositions he traveled to. in an armory without the protection of u.s. forces he returned with messages of support from family and powerful evidence that mohammad was innocent. and i think it was such a mess for chase and there was. things wrong with. that they just got him out of there tried to make it go away. the interim agreement with the rent is now in effect what are its prospects can't israel and its congressional i specifically the senate killed the deal and if for some miraculous reason all sides agree to keep to the agreement what can we expect next. the united states is a very good example here because in the early years they. had a pretty strong genuine democracy by now i would argue has generated into a system where money power much more of. the founding fathers of the united states would constantly say that they were not fine in a democracy that. democracy was horrible they wanted topps we insti

now, the letter from the lawyer, mr.lawyer, makes much of the phrase, the christie administration's order. no one is disputing this. someone in the administration ordered this. it also said he knew about the lane closures during the period the lanes were closed. so that conflicts with the five words there. mr. christie's statement this afternoon then says, he had no prior knowledge of the lane closures before they happened. this could be -- could be nothing more than an example of why you do not let people give 107-minute press conferences, because you're apt to come up with a formulation that makes you look more devious than you are. >> it goes on to say evidence exists, julie. we don't see in the letter that he has the evidence, what the evidence is, but clearly, he's cooperating or planning to. >> that seems to be what we're supposed to read into this. evidence exists. it seems like wildstein is connected in some way to said evidence. it's a lot easier to say it's out there than to produce the evidence and connect it

lawyers are just one of them. out and toe that move that independent body i think would have tw oh -- to give -- two results. confidence for the people in the chain of command who are responsible not just for mission a compliment but for every aspect of their well-being. second, it would not get the result that we all want. this is not a situation. this is not a contest of advocates and their attorneys against the chain of command and their attorneys. this is about what is the right thing to do for the people who serve. and i fully believe that the chain of command, flawed as some of us are, is the best opportunity to ensure that we continue to have mission success, to make sure that we take care of people, who are brings, and that we justice to the perpetrators. thank you very much. >> thank you, general. attali -- admiral vitale , you are on the phone. go ahead. i can, thank you. >> thank you very much for this opportunity. it is a pleasure to join you from hawaii. [laughter] in february of 2012 after serving th

this is from the lawyer of david wildstein. the man who ordered the lane closures on the bridge of the port authority. evidence exists as as well as tying mr. christie to having knowledge of the lane closures during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated. mr. wildstein contests the accuracy of various statements the governor made about him and he can prove the inaccuracy of some. >> now it is very important to say that we, you know, this is just a letter -- >> and it is a representation. we haven't seen the proof. >> we don't know if they are e-mails, text messages. whatever. we don't know. it is just a representation. >> the important thing is that this is -- this is another brick in the wall in evidence against governor christie because we have the lane closures. and then we have the mayors of jersey city in hoboken saying they were deliberately distanced from the administration after they failed to back christie for his reelection bid in november. awe have the federal investigation going

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we have investigators, paralegals, lawyers.every day we go to jails, courts, we traveled to investigate cases. we did not have extra programs to cut. >> phone numbers are on the bottom of the screen for our guest. the federal public defender for the eastern district of virginia, michael nachmanoff, he just explained how his own office was affected by the sequester. calls, explaino -- this is a big country out there, why is this so important? why should our viewers know about this? >> absolutely. the federal public defender system is really part of one of the most important parts of our government. is a constitutional mandate. a part of the government the congress created by choice. they thought it was a good policy decision. when the government this guides to prosecute someone and potentially take away their liberty, the constitution requires that they be represented by counsel. not a choice.s is the government must provide funding for this. the question is if they will continue to provide adequate funding for federal defenders

wildstein's lawyer confirms what the governor has said all along. he had absolutely no prior knowledge of the lane closures before they happened and whatever mr. wildstein's motivations were for closing them to begin with. as the governor said in a december 13th press conference he only first learned lanes were closed when i was reported by the press and as he said in his january 9th press conference had no indication that there was anything other than a traffic study until he read otherwise on the morning of january 8th. here comes the punch line, the governor denies mr. wildstein's lawyers other assertions. so there we have it. that is as far as we got. reminded our viewers why are we talking about governor christie who is the governor of great state of new jersey, he is until all this happened was a front-runner to be on the gop ticket on 2016. all right, thank you. >>> we are already getting democratic response to this news on social media. maria is following that for us. the democratic national committee put out a rapid response just a little w

she's a lawyer she's got a ph d. in international law and she was a lecturer but she's also pose for glamour calendars what some would say would be provocative or racy photos of her age she says is to raise funds and awareness for the works of whistleblowers and other activists like that today we're joined by dr rolls with a fuller thanks very much for joining us today but what i'd like to know is why did you choose this matter of getting awareness why not another way well actually i have written articles on whistleblowers in the military so i have actually written quite lengthy articles that are going to be published but i really thought that. in order to make a difference to these with lawyers who as we know are in jail or. at the moment i needed to involve myself in a more material way and i thought well how can i do something that isn't just a matter of talking i think there's quite a lot of consensus on this issue because we've talked enough i do think that something like whistleblowing and revealing violations

all the lawyers for the hospital were unclear. >> the lawyers for the hospital -- let me explain something to you, sonny. if i were the lawyers for this young man who had to sit and watch his dead wife there, i would turn around and sue this hospital for intentional inflection of emotional distress. >> that's ridiculous. >> this statute, you don't need to go a basic rule of statutory construction is you do not need to go to legislative history if the statute is clear. the statute was clear on its face. >> it was not clear on its face. >> keep yelling, sonny. it doesn't do you any good. you lost. you were wrong at every turn. this was outrageous what they were doing with this woman. and obviously and sanjay can back me up, there was no way that this fetus was viable at any point. and the state had no business doing what they did. >> we don't even know what this means. >> let me try to get a little bit of science in here with sanjay. sanjay, the judge agreed now with the hospital and the family that marlise was brain-dead and legally speaking in texas in many states, most states in the u.s.,

that's where his lawyer, lynn stewart, came in.he was his attorney, and she was caught carrying messages from the shaek to the outside world. she was convicted on federal charges in 2005, sentenced to ten years in 2010 after a lengthy appeals fight. but today, she is free. after serving less than four years. how did that happen, and who signed off on this? jay is chief legal counsel for the american center for law and justice. how does it happen that someone as controversial as this, conspiracy to confraud the united states, convicted. convicted on providing material support to terrorists. how does she get a pass out of prison early. >> she gets a pass because the bureau of prisons had a policy that changed under eric holder about six months ago, which changed the criteria upon the compassionate release. she's sick, ill can cancer. they changed the policy and she fits within the policy, and the national lawyers guild, which is a far left lawyers organization, petitioned eric holder twice for her release. the director of bureau pris

is nickname when he was a lawyer was the lawyer -- the attorney general for runaway slaves. when he became chief justice, take over after a -- >> oo randy barnett, restoring the lost constitution: the presumption of liberty" is the name of the book. >>> the purpose of the book is to not only talk about now to revive the constitution and restore the republic, but to inform people of what the republic is supposed to look like, how the constitution is supposed to function, and to move some of the decisionmaking away from the centralized government, back to state legislatures acting collectively. >> host: you write in the liberty amendments about the 17th amendment, the 17th 17th amendment serves not the public interest but the interests of the governing mastermindses and their disciples. its early proponents advance it not because they championed democracy or the individual, but because they knew it would be one of several important mechanisms for empowering the federal government in unraveling constitutional republicanism. >> guest: the framers did not create pure democracy. t

association, the national criminal trial lawyer of the year. well deserved. congratulations. nice to hear. >> good morning. great it talk to you again. >> i have watched you at work. it is true. it really is. here is my question for you. you know all too well what it is like trying to defend somebody on garden variety charges when you don't have a garden variety client. the media and everybody else is zeroing in. what is the advice you have for roy black? >> roy doesn't need advice from me. he is a great lawyer. here is the thing about miami-dade county in a dui. justin bieber fits into a category where he is available for the back on track program. a quick, ease why i way to deal with a dui. what you do basically is go into this program. if you complete it, which is community service, a fine, which i think he can pay and do the dui class, with a license suspension, they drop it to reckless driving, withhold adjudication of guilt, not on your record and i think roy will probably take that path of least resistance. his blood alcohol was very low

those were lawyer terms. they look at the command climate. they may be more likely to send the case to court. put it in front of a panel or a military judge and let them have a day in court and figure out what comes out of the result. conviction rate is a lawyer's term. >> that could be a factor for a prosecutor in deciding whether or not to go forward with a case where is would not be necessarily for a commander. >> you think you may not win -- it is still ethical and within the realm of the attorneys ethics to do so. the fact that you think the case may not be winnable doesn't mean it is unethical to send it to prosecution. >> you have to take a chance sometimes with prosecutions. prosecutors are sometimes accused of just wanting to shoot goldfish in a bowl. i really don't think that is true in the civilian world. i don't think it is true in the military. it has to be assessed for whether or not you have a substantial likelihood of a conviction. i think that just throwing a case out there and saying, is the government ready? when you know i

it's a book that was written for general readers, not lawyers because one of the driving questions in my book was, how can everybody that is involved in the court system, judges, prosecutors, public defenders, cops already nine set the system is broken, that there's this huge crisis and not do anything? so i went in with that ashton and the answer that i walked out with is that most people outside of the judicial system don't know about these problems. so i wrote "chasing gideon" for those people who are ingested in justice and fairness but don't know the intricacies of our united states court system. i tried to tell the story narratively so that it's interesting to people and so that you see what it's like to go through the courts from a client's gift. i talk about an 18-year-old who was in a car accident and charged with the aqi manslaughter. i talk about a 12-year-old who accused of sexual assault because he played with the neighbor boy. allegedly. and i talk about a death penalty case and other cases like that. i try to tell the story through the perspective of those clients and w

suicide data, lawyers were in the top five.from depression, the root cause of suicide at a rate 3.6 times higher than non lawyers. you are dealing with a judge witnesses who may or may not say what you thought they were going to say. a jury you are trying to persuade. >> some of these attorneys are highly functional until the very end. generated $600,000 of billable hours his lift year. his wife gave his eulogy and talked about how proud he was of his children and talked about what a wonderful fan he was and you think why would this person take their own life. two more lawyers in their office building also killed themselves. for when the stresses of a profession is just too much. the money stress why? >> one of the best ways that all of these people explained it to me is like this. >> what differentiated attorneys and trial attorneys in this case is conflict. >> he said this imagine a surgeon, there is a lot of stress involved in allowing somebody's stress in his hands. they don't allow to have the stress while they are trying

her lawyers appealed all the way up to the u.s. is that something that really violated an international treaty that really implicated international law? we would respectively suggest that is not the case. there were no protest lodged by foreign nations, no other nation said, oh my goodness, somehow there has been a deployment of chemical weapons in pennsylvania. >> reporter: bond served her six years. if she had been convicted on a state level, she likely would have served nine months to two years. today she's back living in pennsylvania. trouble is, she can't find a job. nobody wants to hire someone convicted of deploying chemical weapons. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> and joining me now are cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney mark geragos and senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin and both of them are grinning ear to ear. i'll start with you. i don't know where to begin, jeff, but i'll go here. at first blush, this sounded ridiculous that a prosecutor would go this route. is it ridiculous? >

his lawyers say they need more time to review the evidence.w hearing has been set for march 3rd. >>> a phone scam in the east bay. someone pretending to be an employee of the contra county sheriff's office. the man called and asked for money to avoid being arrested for failing to appear for jury duty. several people have been victimized. >>> good evening. i'm meteorologist jeff ranieri. warming in the forecast but we are tracking offshore. we'll have details on what this means for any weekend rain. >>> also ahead, the ruling involving yelp that could forever change how you review a restaurant or business. >> and a milestone in congress. the exclusive new laws. >>> he's the lawyer at the center of an emotional, legal and ethical fight over the fate of an oakland teenage girl. a girl declared brain dead by the hospital but still very much alive to her family. tonight san francisco personal injury attorney is talking about his crusade to help jahi mcmath's family. and answering accusations that the fight is more about politics than conviction. nb

however, his lawyer will. bieber was arrested early thursday morning after drag racing in miami beach. this morning, fans for the pop star crowded outside the miami home where the star is staying. >> he's growing into the person that's -- that he's going to be for the rest of his life. he's got -- everybody makes mistakes. >> bieber is charged with a dui, drag racing, and resisting arrest without violence. no word yet on whether he'll accompany his lawyer to court on moay or not. >>> first lady michelle obama will be one of the first guests when jimmy fallon take over the "tonight show." mrs. obama will appear during the first week of the show which debuts next month. it won't be her first time talking with fallon. she's been on "late night with jimmy fallon" several times. she made waves, you may recall, when she and fallon did the evolution of mom dancing. we kind of like that. fallon talked about performing with the first lady when he stopped by our studios a few months ago. >> one of the ideas we came up w

he's already getting lots of lawyering. and lawyering is never cheap. but as of today, the port authority, his employer when he did all this stuff, says we are not helping with any of that. you are paying for all of that yourself. and the port authority also indicated today that that may also be the fate of bill baroni, the other chris christie ally at the port authority, the deputy executive director of the agency who was appointed directly by chris christie and who we now know lied to the state legislature about the fake traffic study cover story for what they did to ft. lee. the port authority also said today that they are just considering, they have not decided, they are considering whether bill baroni will also be cut off and left to fend for himself in the same way they did for david wildstein. no decision yet on that, but watch this space. >>> meanwhile, though, bill baroni was the deputy executive director there. that's a high ranking appointee at this chris christie lavishly appointed agency. but he was not the highest ranking appointee for chr

after that, lawyers have 90 days to appeal the decision.peal, then. >>> president obama says he's confident he can still get things done in washington despite his constant disputes with house republicans. he told cnn's jake tapper he hasn't lowered his expectations for his presidency. >> and so, in no way are my expectations diminished or my ambitions diminished, but what is obviously true, we have divided government right now. the house republicans, in particular, have had difficulty rallying around any agenda much less mine. and in that kind of environment, what i don't want is the american people to think that the only way for us to make big change is through legislation. >> the president has threatened to sign executive orders if legislation continues to stall in congress. >>> and some encouraging signs of immigration reform as republican leaders meet this week away from the capitol. nbc's deputy political editor domenico montanaro joins us this morning. good morning, demenco. >> good morning. >> it looks like we could see an immigratio

how confident are the lawyers that the icc will look into their submission? >> reporter: they're fairly confident but there does remain a question. egypt is not a state party to the international criminal court, but countries can issuing is called an article 12 declaration given alleged crimes happening in their country. the freedom of justice party, the political arm of the muslim brotherhood, the government that ran egypt unti, the more icc acs the morsi government is still the legitimate government of egypt, and the international lawyers that have been speaking say that they probably will do they're confident that the icc will investigate. >> reporter: it meets the test of graft. it should exercise jurisdiction. this is department on the failure the rege regime itself carrying out impartial. investigations into what has happened to egypt. there is no evidence that th the are investigations. >> we heard the issue of evidence being brought up so what evidence have the lawyers of freedom of justice given to the icc? >> reporter: they say they've got extensive

story through the perspective of those clients and what it is like for them and how important a lawyer's role is because, the court system can be very overwhelming when you look at it, you know, and you walk into any court in the country and you will zeros and rows and people sitting on in hallways, meeting their lawyers first tile on the fly, they don't know their name. they thrust out their hand. spill out a story in five minutes. then they ask this person to go into court and defend them. and this person is struggling so many cases. can't really dedicate the time they need to do justice to this person's case. so i wanted to tell that story in "chasing gideon" and, just p focus our nation's attention on that 50 years after this supreme court decision. >> what is the core reason for the civil being broken? is it simply a matter of not enough money? or is it a matter there not being enough interest by qualified attorneys to do this kind of work? is it some kind of a combination, something else? >> i think it's a combination of things. there are several systemic problems. there's a cult y

his lawyer stopped being the lawyer and became the activist for his position. that's a dangerous thing. she's an officer of the court. >> no longer. i want to clarify this. the blind sheikh, among other evil deeds is unleashing hell in egypt. people are slaughtering each other. he goes to prison and can't call the shots but there was a cease-fire in the battle. she came out with withis messag from him to the people in egypt saying -- it showed he wanted the cease-fire to stop. he wanted the violence to resume. lynn stewart, an american attorney representing him here, decided to be his messenger on that. without his say-so. he wanted the murder to continue. >> she was not allowed to have those communications. she stopped being the lawyer in a sense when she became the activist for the sheikh's position. she was punished not for advocacy of the defendant. she was punished for violating four felonies and, by the way, they could have charged her with more. aiding and abetting terrorists, conspiring with terrorists and she became the mouthpiece for the leader of the

stopping the lawyer became the activist for his position.hat is a dangerous thing. she is an officer of the court. >> no longer. >> i want to clarify this. this -- the blind sheikh among hz many other evil deeds unleashing hell in egypt. people slaughtering one another based in part upon his edict. then he goes to prison he can't call the shots any more. a cease fire took place in that battle. she came out with a message from him to those people in egypt saying, the he's cease fire -- it showed definitively he wanted that cease fire to stop he wanted the violence to resume. lynn stewart an american attorney representing him here decided to be his messenger on that without his say so. he's like their god, they would not have resumed. she wanted to make sure they knew he wanted the murder to continue. >> she was already aware he was not allowed to have those kinds of communications. communication with terrorists is a felony anyway. she stopped being the lawyer in a sense when she became the activist for the chic's posit - sheikh's position. it

instead of now trying to -- don't lawyer it. people don't like lawyers. i'm a lawyer. they don't like them. you know. don't lawyer it. people want leaders, not lawyers. >> i talked about this exact answer with some pete close to christie. i was told that nobody should be surprised if that hit the press conference later today. christie takes his own advice. comes out, talks about the mistake he made, says he's sorry and tries to explain it. i guess we will satisfy. that was the advice he gave to president obama. we will see if he takes his own advice. >> there are those that think this is more than a mistake. new jersey's newspaper, "the star ledger," reluctantly endorsed christie for governor if the governor was lying about all of this in his role in this, he is unfit for office. could this scandal force christie out of office? >> that is the assumption that you are reading from there that he did know about this. that he actually was involved and he knew his deputy chief of staff was ordering this traffic jam as a punitive measure and there is a lot of evidence that pe