corporate chains, like, darden which owns olive garden, red lobster, capitol grill steakhouse, longhorn steakhouse, members of the national restaurant association that have been lobbying for years to keep the minimum wage, especially for tipped workers, we didn't get a chance to talk about tipped workers, tipped workers wages are stuck at $2.13 an hour for last 22 years. we've got small business owners in our group who say that just doesn't make sense to be paying somebody as little as $2. >> wait a minute. average tipped worker -- melissa: hang on. let steve, respond. >> average tipped worker in the united states makes between 10 and $15 an hour. >> that is actually not true. government data -- >> hang on. hang on. let steve respond. >> here's the point you keep, when you talk about these restaurants like mcdonald's and wendy's and burger kings, as you know, melissa, those are owned by small businessmen. they're not evened by mcdonald's corporation. those are owned by small businessmen and women who are franchise owners and they don't have, you know, they operate on very thin margins and i talked