i just have to address the thing with mary gallagher here. we had nine meetings with the pell avenlt three of those meetings were with myself were specifically to address problems with their building that we were offering to do pro bono work, consulting to take care of whatever their problems. nine meetings. to say we never met at the last meeting is false testimony. thank you. >> thank you. >> i have a question for the project sponsor's attorney, please. >> thank you, commissioner. >> it's not clear to me that the housing accountability act applies to this project. can you explain how this project fits the definition or what is the definition of housing development project? >> it is defined in the act itself. so what i have provided you the act is 10 pages long. the provision that is relevant here is in subsection j. that is held in court back in 2011. >> but she wants to know how and whether the project itself is subject to that act? >> subsection j says when a proposed housing development project. so that must be defined somewhere in the g