spending in the government is on the mandatory side of the ledger and that includes security, medicare/medicaid but this is the discretionary agency budgets of there is a decrease for defense of about $30 billion compared to what they had been seeking. another big decrease of about $8 billion comes from the labor hs budget, the departments of labor and health and human services which administers obamacare and the department of education. that sees a decrease but that is a sizable oil compared to some of the smaller ones like the agriculture bill. this past quickly in the house and in the senate.

how millennial can step the mushrooming cost of social security medicaid and medicare what is what is w t f well i'm not sure i can say this on say a lot of land stands for what the. really that's what you want it's a man's that's you have a generation that's got one hell of a problem in front of them and who are the millennial as well you know they're generally thought to be people under the age of thirty and they're a growing part of the population obviously but they're being in combat with a massive headache by you know my generation the baby boom and you know generations that have preceded this is you're saying they're going to face future problems in medicaid so sure you know i because the burden we put on them because of the burden we've been putting on iran they've been saying that since these programs started i've been here i'm eighty years old yes you are all my life i've heard you people going to pay for this is keeps on working but it is there actually you don't see it as directly but you know the bottom line is that the deficits have been growing fairly significantly over

medicare. at issues for high cost-high need enrollees and on medicaid capacity. today i am focus on the issues up for reauthorization and extension. transitional medicare assistance has been looked at. tma provides additional months to low-income parents and children who would lose the coverage due to increased earnings. it was limited to four months and has since 1990 been raise today a 6-12 month period through the extenders. this applies to the lowest income beneficiaries. this recommends eliminating the sunshine date that allows the 6-12 months covererage and provides states with the additional flexibility. we have recommended when states expand medicare to the new adult group they are allowed to opt out of the transitional medical assi assistance because there is no gap from the period or the coverage they would provide under the subsidies. with regard to express lane eligibility we see it provides children with enrollment under chip and medicaid with an expressed vehicle so it eliminates the duplication that goes on. 13 states have implmented this and we wil

fact that we have been spending the accumulated surpluses and running them down you know so medicare medicaid is going to be actually functionally insolvent with the next three or four years social security runs out of money in the mid two thousand and thirty s. but in fact if you look at what the expected insolvency date was ten years ago it was four or five years longer so it's been shortening and shorting and shortening as well have been that is true what do we do well there are a couple of things first of all there are the financial solutions number one but i think that the reason i wrote this book is i think this is really both a political and emotional problem and the problem politically is you have a very large aging population demographically there are forty million seniors now in twenty years they're going to be eighty that's going to be almost twenty five percent of the going to take away this notion that is very very difficult to take that away they have an amazingly powerful voices you know and my first point and what i'd like to see is to motivate the younger people this country

in this midterm election year the social safety net of medicare, medicaid and food stamps will be at the heart of the debate. >> joining me now to discuss the successes and failures of the war on poverty as it's known are philip cohen , professor of sociology at university of maryland, and olivia golden, executive director of the center for law and social policy for k clasp. let me ask you, on balance, do they work? >> i had a chance in the clinton administration to oversee head start and focus on the programs for low income people. i would say the improvement in nutrition, the ability to reach children with healthcare are extraordinarily important, but for children which is what i know best, the overall poverty levels remain bright anyoning in 22% to 21%, that's the low wage labor market. it's the ways in which the economy and low-wage jobs are failing us and our public investment is getting us part of the way there. but there is a huge amount less to do. >> professor, same question. >> well, i think that we're doing okay now. the trick is we have to keep score correctly. all the pr

i think it would lower the rate for people between medicare and medicaid. >> host: let's see what congress woman dead the wasserman shultz has to say about that. >> guest: i feel the affordable care act, it focused beyond medicare and medicaid. you had medicare expansion funds and people who slipped through the gap between qualifying for medicaid and getting coverage at work, a large number of people in florida who fall into that void. unfortunately our legislature and governor refused to accept those funds so those people won't get covered. the idea is we left and insurance marketplace that was private market based, we have an individual requirements for health insurance putting everyone into the pool commack adding healthy people who are not necessarily covered right now and lowering the overall cost. we need to block towards implementing the affordable care act and giving it a chance to work. >> host: for the next generation came out in october, julie sensor is your co-author. >> guest: new york times best selling author who was a wonderful person who focused me as we wrote the book and

and then for the forgotten man, the addition of medicare, medicaid, the building of the safety net, the extension of roosevelt's new deal safety net. that's how it was discovered. but in obamacare i think there's a huge tip now to the skills of the american people are only now seeing. in order to cover the uncovered, and i'm not an economist, but economists have pointed out probably only about 15% of the american people could not get health insurance who wanted to get it. so in order to meet their needs we had to federalize the whole system. now people are waking up, but it's illegal to have -- not just whether the president promised it but it's also liberty. i can have this policy i worked for and we all agreed i would have. it's now illegal to have that policy. they just restated that yesterday in california. we are not going to allow those policies to be. instead you need a more expensive policy that probably has at least in the case of my children in their 20s, things they don't want. it's one of those moments when liberty becomes less abstract and it becomes more real. and i think

in addition, sending among the main payers of hospital services, medicare and medicaid all accelerated. for medicare, hospital spending growed at a faster rate. partially due to increase in medicare enrollment. some of this increase, however, was offset by the a.c.a. provision that reduced payment updates for hospitals. for medicaid, although growth in hospital spending was still low in 2012, its rate of growth was still faster than in 2011. reflecting slightly better economic conditions as some states withdrew previous payment cuts and expanded care. here we're looking at spending growth for physician and clinical services. spending in this category increased by 4.6% in 2012 to reach $565 billion. also price growth slowed slightly in 2012, the use and intensity of physician services accelerated. when examining trends by payer we see that growth and out of pocket and private health insurance spending both accelerated in 2012. this increase growth was primarily due to increases in visits to doctor's offices as the economy continued to recover from the recent severe economic recession wi

are a whole lot of really smart people that know about trade, know about energy, know about medicare, medicaid, health care, they know about legal reform, they know it all. and i told them to come down here, they would learn something from you. after we finish, if you want to ask them what our views are, they're a lot smarter than i am. it's one of our rules around here is we don't hire people who don't know it better than marty and i know it. the last question is -- >> tom, andy sullivan with voters. you mentioned education reform. i'd like to hear more about what specifically you think needs to happen. do state and local governments need to spend more? do we need to make it easier for charter schools to open up should there be vouchers to allow public school students to attend private schools? what other things need to happen? >> first of all, we paint or k through 12 schools through the same brush when we talk about it. you know, there are a lot of k through 12 schools in this country where our kids get great educations. tremendous educations. and they come out and they go to good colleges,

and he established medicare and medicaid.ion legislation that launched head start, spent billions to help clean up slums and lift people out of poverty. in the short term it did work. the official poverty rate fell from 19% in 1964 down to about 11% just ten years later. but support for social programs declined in the '70s and '80s due to economic insecurity and criticism over government assistance in general. in 1987 president reagan famously said the war on poverty was over. and that poverty had won. by the '90s the focus shifted away from the root causes of poverty and instead turned to reducing welfare dependence. >> we have to end welfare as a way of life and make it a path to independence. [ applause ] >> now, the effort to get more people back to work helped reduce the poverty rate around the turn of the century. but it's been on the rise ever since. the latest numbers from the census bureau show that 15% of americans still live below the poverty line. just four percentage points lower than it was 50 years ago. think a

we protect social security, medicare, medicaid. we think long and hard about expanding this tpp trade agreement. we have an agenda. let's get it out there. >> senator, when is it time to tell these unemployed americans the 1.6 million people who have lost their unemployment benefits, there's a real possibility there's not going to be any extension. it's now etched in stone this is how many weeks you're going to get. are we close to that point, even though you have 69% of the american people who think the unemployment insurance should last a year or longer? when do you tell those folks this probably isn't going to happen? >> i think, ed, what our job is now is to rally the american people to give the republicans an offer that they can't refuse. that is if they continue to stand with the wealthy and the big money interest against working families, if we are strong in organizing and educating, the republicans have a choice. either they're going to start doing the right thing or they're going to lose control over the house. >> we can o

the bottom line is, democrats can bring up medicare, medicaid. the legislation is flawed, chris.icans out there that are getting hurt, people with cancer that don't have health care insurance. people with debilitating diseases and they don't have health care insurance. nancy pelosi, obama and rahm emanuel shoved this things through congress and now we're looking at the effects. whenever you put politics over policy, this is what happens. >> before we go, chris, when is it going the be fixed? employers sitting in the situation not knowing whether or not they can give benefits to different employees as part of their income and benefit package, they probably won't hire. that will affect jobs. wouldn't you say? >> well, i mean, let me answer the first part first. over the next year, we'll be talking about this a number of times. anytime you are on the roll out a major piece of legislation, it's true with social security, medicare, medicaid, you're going to have challenges. unfortunately here i think you have more challenges. that being said, i think you're going to see them -- they'r

this debate in perspective coming if you look at the budget, a three pooley $5 trillion medicare is 251 billion. medicaid but medicare's 466 billion and those are 2012 numbers. my first question is legal move any of these extenders and they lapse. what happens to insolvency debate of medicare and medicaid? how much does that improves the extent the life of these programs and how many days or months? >> i don't have in my head with the total spending impact of all the various temporary provisions. my colleagues have that but we can give you the numbers to mckewon to stand where i'm headed i am sure. doctor, i will go back to you in a minute that you have a response? >> the only estimate we have is the cbo has estimated making that transition -- tma permanent with medicaid spending dollars. >> but in the billions and hundred billions? >> over five years. >> but the point is this. these programs we can debate the relevancy in our federal budget mandatory spending driving national debt, these will hardly affect the solvency debate on medicare and medicaid. would you agree with that? >> they are not large rel

and then reimbursements are going to be, you know, at a medicare/medicaid rate. initially when medicare and medicaid were brought into the fray, you know doctors said, okay, we will do that because, you know, we are doing okay with our commercial insurance and we don't mind taking some people for which we will only break even or possibly lose money. now that's become the basis of what they are being paid and even trying to reduce that. you know, these are things, obviously, that will impact significantly on people wanting to go into the field of medicine. many still will, i hope. i certainly encourage everybody to do so because i believe that we will eventually find ways to solve these problems if we can ever learn how to sit down together and rationally discuss these things. we do have ways that we can take care of people. we pay twice as much money per capita as much as anybody now. we have adequate resources. what we need is to be able to use collective resources to solve the problem rather than allowing things to be driven by ideology. >> that is an excellent

talking point seven billion if they simply took the time to look at how much medicaid and medicare should have been paying for wholesale prescription drugs oh and let's not forget afghanistan boy oh boy where our government watchdog found almost two billion dollars in potential waste fraud and abuse now this includes the thirty four million dollar military facility built just last year that will be used and vacant so a big building forty four million with nothing and finally and the most egregious and kind of embarrassing sent television however going to do it peanuts prompts a straight. sixty two thousand of em pins comes across the u.s. government one hundred seventy two million dollars you know be there one hundred seventy million dollars that's twice as much as the consumer would have paid at retail value now add now to me i need a loan for an inspector general is it mission that these bodies are set up to govern stink of government you know well you know i have to say we're going to we're going to back them up. again and i'm glad that wasn't a behavior rather than you know goes back

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how millennial can stop the mushrooming cost of social security medicaid and medicare what is what is w t f well i'm not sure i can say this on say a lively sense for what the. really that's what you want it to mean is that you have a generation that's got one hell of a problem in front of them and who are the millennial as well you know they're generally thought to be people under the age of thirty and they're a growing part of the population obviously but they're being in combat with a massive headache by you know my generation the baby boom and you know generations that have preceded this is you're saying they're going to face future problems in medicaid so sure you know i because the burden we put on them because of the burden we've been putting on iran they've been saying that since this program started i've been here i'm eighty years old yes you are all my life i've heard you people going to pay for this is keeps on working but it is there actually you don't see it as directly but you know the bottom line is that the deficits of been growing fairly significantly over the last fi

gerri willis espy and joining me now on the same topic former adviser for centers of medicaid medicare services. welcome and we will start with that story and you were laughing and smiling. why? it is a great big bill. >> is a resource mining at his predicament but it is all too common it is looking at the health care mketplace and 51 percent of all health care charges are hospital related it is the least efficient part of the healthare system. gerri: what you said dr. you are in touch with this part of every single day. >> the hard prt there is no the transparency of hospital charges that finally in may was released. medicare/medicaid and showed hospital charges over 2011 we could see even within new york city one place was 15,000 another was 150,000. free competition will help if patients can be consumers to shop around. >> it will get worse under obamacare with consolidation and we already see that. 70 percent of doctors already work for the doctor or the health system or the independent practices. that will raise prices and hospitals have more local leverage with the monopoly. the

we also had job corps, medicare, medicaid and other policies that were established 50 years ago as a result of president johnson's vision to begin to address poverty and income inequality way back then. so many of these initiatives have been under attack and part of what has taken place is democrats have been working just to preserve this safety net and real government support systems, these policies until we can achieve full floiment, really. that's what this country should get. host: democrats will be helping to highlight these? guest: every day we are going to have 350 speeches. we are going to do 50 speeches beginning today on these initiatives. the benefits and what they have accomplished. also what could take place if in fact these continue to be eroded, where we need to go from here. that's starting with extending the unemployment compensation -- emergency unemployment compensation and raising the inimum wage. host: making those speeches during the morning hour? guest: whenever we go in session. today will be noon. linda johnson robb will be in the gallonry. she's a phenomenal

if you take health care, the last time the government worked on health care, medicare, medicaid, what was the solution? the solution was for the individual health plan. you were at your employer generally and your employer give you a certain health plan and you negotiated with your employer perhaps to get the kind of plan that you wanted. and then for the forgotten man, edition of any care, medicaid, building of the safety net. the extension of roosevelt new deal safety net is how the forgotten man was governed. in obamacare, there is a huge tip now to the scale of the american people are only now seeing. in order to cover the uncovered, and i am not an economist, but hoover, ms. have pointed out probably only 15% of the american people could not get health insurance who wanted to get it. in order to meet their needs, we have to federalize the losses to. now people wake up that is illegal to have the policy. it's also does liberty moment. i can't have a policy that i work for and we all agreed i would have. it is now illegal to have that policy. they restated that yesterday in califor

programs like medicare, medicaid, safety net a way of life for many elderly and low income families. are they kushg tcuring the pro ? joining us is jared burnstein, and adviser to vice president biden. joining from american enterprise institute is the president, arthur brooks. jared, arthur, thank you for joining us. jared, you first has the war on poverty been successful? >> i don't think you can put this into a win/loss framework. you've miss too much nuance. there still are too many poor people in america, if you measure poverty accurately, and the official measure people agree should be kind of thrown out. because it really doesn't account for all the stuff you mention in your introduction. we have 50 million poor people in america. told that to president johnson after all we have done, i think he would say, wow, what's going on. at the same time -- the poverty reduction impact, of the programs he introduced and many have been expanded since then have been actually quite successful in terms of reducing the rate of poverty. they kept -- something like 40 million people including 1

dirty little secret it wasn't sold -- the long-term plan was going to be a single payer system, medicare, medicaid. >> it wasn't sold that way because president obama wasn't behind it, harry reid wasn't behind it, but very far people on the left wanted a single payer system, like me, i sa yummy, yummy. >> okay. >> and most americans -- >> hold on -- >> a little of tat -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> very good point. makes a very good point. on the far left they want single par, socialized medicine pure and centsimple. roll the clip of the various liberals talking about single payer and i'll get wayne to weigh in just after. >> if i were starting a system from scratch, then i think the idea of moving towards a single payer system could very well make sense. >> heavy lift to pass, i myself would have preferred single payer or public option. >> what we've done here with the obama care is a step in the right direction, but we're far from having something that's going to work. >> eventually you think we'll work beyond insurance. >> absolutely, yes. >> i'm all for a single payer system. >> i happen to be a prop

robert reischauer former director they urban institute and current medicaid medicare trustee. he robert, the executive director of community -- mark mcclellan senior fellow at wrecking sensitive shin and administrator of the centers for medicare and medicaid services and hhs. alice rivlin the founding director of the congressional budget and former director of the office of management and budget. joe lantos health care and retirement research scholar at the enterprise institute and then finally but not last, the project rector of the commission and a fellow at the miller center and a professor of practice at the batten school. now let me introduce susan dentzer also a friend of mine at the miller center who will facilitate the discussion. susan is currently a senior held at wiser to the robert wood johnson foundation. there she provides policy and communications strategy to the nation's largest philanthropy and is devoted exclusively to improving health and health care for all americans. she is a renowned health policy expert. she previously was a policy analyst with the "pbs

these are the guys who want to cut social security, medicare, and medicaid.and now they are fighting tooth and nail is our ability to provide necessary help to those people who are long-term unemployed. the fact of the matter is long-term unemployment today is almost at a record level. 37% of unemployed people have been unemployed for longer than six months. if we do not provide them the help they need, they are going to have a horrific time trying to pay their rent, trying to put gas in their car, trying to have the resources to go out and get another job. not only is it awfully cruel to push these people aside and ignore their needs, it impacts the entire economy. if they don't have on average the $300 they get in extended unemployment benefits, they're not spending that money locally. the economists say we'll lose 200,000 jobs and have a reduction in gdp. we have to provide help to people who desperately need it. >> senator, what should democrats have done here? we have seen unemployment benefits extended under republican presidents. did democrats do somet

imagine what the situation, what the landscape would look like right now, if we hadn't had medicare, medicaid, the food stamp program, school lunches and that sort of thing. so to that extent, the war on pvty really helped a tremendous number of people, but going forward i think you've made the essential point. you can't take care of inequality, upward mobility, poverty, any of those things unless you figure how to create an awful lot of well-paying jobs. >> we'll be tuking about it all year. thanks, have a nice weekend. >>> coming up, what would you do for a new job? give up your facebook password? disclose a credit score? employers want this and more. can you say no? why companies hold all the power. 's new for 575 calories or less on our lighter fare menu. enjoy fresh tossed. go fish. and try our new rosemary garlic chicken at olive garden. explaining my moderate to severe so there i was again, chronic plaque psoriasis to another new stylist. it was a total embarrassment. and not the kind of attention i wanted. so i had a serious talk with my dermatologist about my treatment options. this

then on november 4th, the centers for medicare and medicaid sent a different message, warning hospitals about paying for premiums, saying quote, hhs has significant concerns with this practice because it could skew the insurance risk pool and create an unlevel field in the marketplaces. now the hospital association argues it should be able to provide premium assistance but the insurance industry naturally vehemently objects. listen. >> the issue here is that when the entities that are paying premiums and cost-sharing are doing it solely to benefit themselves financially, that is a conflict of interest and that is something that shouldn't be done. >> so in the midst of so many different views, melissa, analysts say it may take the courts to make a definitive decision. melissa? melissa: it will get legal, jim. i have no doubt about it. it is going right to court. thank you so much for that story. >> you're most welcome. melissa: will hospitals turn this plan into reality? here is ryan tate. the chairman of the governing board for entegris canadian valley hospital in oklahoma. thanks so mu

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there's an entire medical medicare fraud aspect that goes on as well where people are using medicare medicaid getting it from victims everything from homeless people on the street to just you know normal individuals taking these pills selling to pharmacy selling on the street repackaging him. some pharmacies themselves are culpable in this i mean there's just so much in this i mean the bottom line is the patients that are suffering is the main issue at hand but the illegal you know criminal aspect of it and how much you know three hundred billion is a number that they give us for the farms to be in school what they make you know this is what the companies make that there's you know a completely underground black market where there's millions and hundreds of millions are being made as well so these are the two you know the two aspects of the film that we explore and i want to yeah of course i was going to say that what's really important understand is that the pharmaceutical problem the street drug problem i mean this there are three times as many people on these drugs than died from these dru

nineteen percent establishment of welfare programs that millions of people rely on today as medicare medicaid food stamps and job corps now let's not kid ourselves borders on pretty much everything never work and since one thousand nine hundred sixty four the national poverty rate has only fallen by four percent while forty six million americans live just barely above the poverty line but consider this according to a study last month by columbia university if none of these government benefit programs were implemented in the first place the national poverty rate would have reached thirty one percent by two thousand and twelve sawyer haters out there who scream about the socialist takeover can be quiet because when smartly implemented these programs can and do work there's perhaps no better example of this phenomenon in the poverty rate among the elderly community nine hundred sixty the official poverty rate for americans sixty five or older was an astonishing thirty five percent today thanks almost exclusive. latest social security that rate stands at just nine percent all these successes asid

if you look at why it has to do ,ith a lot of the tax credits the food stamp program, medicaid, medicare, all of those great societies that provide us opportunities for people. we are a long way to go because we squeeze all of these initiatives and policies. primarily the tea party republican congress creating the job opportunities of people who are living or want ,o be lifted from the poverty they had those opportunities to get job training and jobs. what are the democrats solution? need to immediately extend unemployment, taxation. when you look at the fact that 11 million people have been killed -- have been kept from the ranks of the poor just by the emergency unemployment policy and programs, this is extremely important not only for those people to not fall into the ranks of the poor, but also for our economy and the economic benefits for people to receive unemployment compensation until they are able to sign for the job. we also need to raise the fromum wage from 7000 -- seven dollars and $.10. wageing range -- a living would be $25 per hour. we need universal preschool, childcare.

of erroneous payments is up and hhs estima n 64.3 billion of the payments were related to medicare or medicaid. while both of those anythings include under payments the majority were over payments. we are talking $59.6 billion. what caused all of these improper payments? when it comes to medicare hhs sites administrative and documentation errors medically unnecessary services and errors by physicians at hospitals same goes for miss spent medicaid payments which were attributed to errors verifying case eligibility and pricing errors. in all reports estimate total of 60.6 billion in over payments by health and human services last year. to put that in perspective that's about three times the expected deficit reduction under the congress latest budget. no small potatoes ainsley. >> not at all. thank you diane macedo live for us. >>> the time now is 10 minutes until the top of the hour. moms to be you want your child to be well behaved. drinking a bottle of wine a month may help? the science behind the new study. >>> a game of hide and seek goes horribly wrong. how this 11-year-old child ended up w

. >> faced with those challenges, lbj created headstart, medicare, medicaid and a variety of weapons for the war on poverty. and the debate continues today whether or not lbj's war on poverty was won. it did fall by 30%, but today it stands at 15%. if 2012, there were 46.5 million people living in poverty. joining us today to talk about the war on poverty, angela glover blackwell of an organization that helps people of cloer and low income communities as well. and we appreciate you being with us. on this question of, is the war on poverty won, lost or somewhere in between, still a work in progress? >> it's still a work in progress. we made enormous strides because of the war on poverty. it was bold to do it, and the things put in place set a foundation that have kept so many people out of poverty. estimates are that if we didn't have those programs, poverty would be double what it is now. but we haven't stopped with the effort. we have allowed too many people who languish in poverty, and the economy has become a real problem. because so many people work every day and are still poor.