mr. mcdaniel, they don't want to admit that hip-hop is a reflection of.r. >> hold on. let me ask you this. when you say i listened to hip-hop as a white kid and it gives me insight, you say it like you had a level of empathy. it made me feel as though i'm implicated and wanted to act. particularly by people again, whether they be black middle-class folks or whether they be white folks in all kinds of classes tends to be consumptive. i want to get some of that cool urban blackness to play on my radio but not connecting to the questions of struggle. >> yeah. but i think for some that is certainly the case. as i grew up i watched many of the kids i grew up with who fell apart from hip-hop and fell out of love with hip-hop but for many of us it kept the election going to us as sort of a high point of this cultural movement of young people black white, asian, latino gay straight, for folks like mr. mcdaniel, he doesn't want that. >> let me go back because i like this idea that part of what hip-hop is young people on the margins who are in a struggle. if you wa