and the driver turned to rafsanjani and said, "what do i do?" and rafsanjani said, "signal left, turn right." c-span: how did he get where he is? >> guest: he's an unusual man. he, again, came from rafsanjan and did his education all through religious schools. studied under khomeini as a very young man, in the city near teheran called qum, which is a theological center, and became very active, after khomeini was expelled, in keeping alive khomeini's vision. and for that he was imprisoned at least four times by the shah one of the posters i saw it's still up in teheran -- shows a picture of rafsanjani in his prison garb without his white turban, in prison overalls, with a number underneath, showing that he had spent in jail. but his family was in the pistachio business. his brother went to berkley didn't graduate, but spent at least four years there, and now runs iranian television. and it's very funny, because he keeps up with what's going on in the united states through the downlink of satellite they get. so he sees "nightline" every night and