our leaders are nervous to have recommendtion and not something that is framed in terms of war. , and thatnconceivable is where he said we need to end this and most were. it was inconceivable for first- time president to make that speech. there was a political cost. that is something you do in your second term. there was an attack with somebody who was part of al costs and the political are very high about saying we should ameliorate a state of permanent war. it is very hard to have a real conversation about that, politically. >> it is hard to have a real conversation about that, politically. i think the reason it is hard to have a political conversation about this is that we actually don't fundamentally agree, as a society, about what the role of military force and violence is, and what the weight, what weight we should give to law enforcement tools, and what weight we should give to military covert action tools. extent to a great addressing that question, which this a set of law enforcement problems where you hold the power of the president in reserve. or is this fundamentally a mil