ruth madoff agreed to forfeit $80 million and all her worldly goods. ts, cars, furniture, even madoff's slippers were auctioned or sold. you were allowed to keep $2.5 million. to a lot of people, that's a lot of money. >> it is. it's certainly enough for me. i've used a lot for legal fees. >> there is a public perception, and i'm sure you've heard it, that there's got to be a stash somewhere, you know? >> i've heard it. i've heard it. >> that bernie madoff hid it somewhere, and that you know-- >> i wish they'd find it and give it all back. my understanding of a ponzi scheme is that when it's over, there's nothing left. and i certainly don't know of a stash anywhere. [ticking] >> coming up, tragedy strikes the madoff family. >> how did you react when you-- when you heard that? >> [sighs] it was awful. i wish i could say i was shocked, but i wasn't. >> we'll have more madoff when 60 minutes on cnbc returns. [ticking] [ male announcer ] the wright brothers started in a garage. amazon started in a garage. hewlett packard, and disney both started in garages.

i have a hard time walking down the street of new york seeing ruth madoff taking her kids off to school. >> the bank is to blame. know if they'll go after individuals. >> absolutely. with targets can come out at any time. we saw that with another case. two people were charged criminally. >> i want to get more. joins us now. what is your take on this? with you that jpmorgan is definitely trying to put this behind it. that a deferred prosecution agreement is the right approach in this case. coveragesn some suggesting that maybe it is a problem to not actually convict them. is this all about too big to ja il? i think that is a miss understanding of corporate and criminal liability. when we say jp morgan committed this crime, it did not. no publicly held firm commits a crime. >> why does it jp morgan want to call out its employees? couldn't they say we have a few bad apples in here? >> for several reasons. want to encourage those employees to go to the government to cooperate and then bring in new evidence. cases, i ame of normally an individual liability hawk. i am concerned when i see no

. >> in the first interview since bernie madoff's arrest, his wife ruth... >> i trusted him. >> and son is madoff. and i'll live with that for the rest of my life. >> speak out about crime, guilt, suicide... >> mr. madoff, what do you have to say for yourself? >> and the day bernie admitted to committing the largest financial fraud in history. >> and he said, "i have a confession to make. i've been running a ponzi scheme." [ticking]