. >> bb tim armstrong is not the best benefits manager brett fight is any company in a position to be so critical of health care? going back to world war ii price regulations this is the fundamental cause some courage words but government involvement under health care. ups, a target, a university of virginia, companies have said health costs are going up specifically because of obamacare. >> then why not say health care costs are going up? we have to offset with 401k. we have to make a business case decisions. >> i am not certain he can tie all these to obamacare. for the last few years while health care premiums have been going down for aiddle businesses they are going up or stay the sam said you have a variety of cost related to obamacare like a preventative care or things that are good for employees long term. we have to let this shakeout gerri: i hear that but i agree obamacare cost are out of control absolutely. tim armstrong has foot in mouth syndrome like i have never seen. here he calls on the employee's he will fire in the conference call. >> they think it is a joke if you wa