matthew boger and tim saul join us in los angeles and oscar, joins us in l.a., facing fear, a program that shows the other oscar nominated short subject. now, it's great to have you with us. matthew, your childhood determined this. your mother kicked you out of the house at 13 because you were gay. determined where you went with life, you developed racial hatred after your brother was shot by an africa american. tell me how you got othe museum of tolerance where you ended up meeting matthew again. >> to short answer, i did get off the streets at the age of 13 and a half. i ended up having a 22 year successful career in los angeles. it was after the death of matthew shepherd that affected me, i kind of realized i hadn't tied too much of his story to mine at the time, but basically i could sit to myself and say i could sit back and do nothing, but make a difference. it was never my intent to manage the museum, i went there to volunteer my time. but about six months into it it was that powerful and i dedicated my life to continuing to live there. >> and tim it took your little son saying

i want to bring in matthew boger and film maker jason cohen.or joining us. >> thank you. >> how is it getting it out on film? were you like, oh, my gosh? was it ka thacathartic in a way? >> it is. it actually gives us a platform for -- because of the work tim and i do together, that we've done for a few years now, helping young people on both sides, perpetrators, victims. this gives us a bigger window and door, platform to do that. >> why did you think it was important to share your story? >> because there's other people, i didn't want them to think they're alone. there's no one else out there that's being through something like them. and that there is a way out of this and there is a positive path. >> did you -- did you want to tell this story? >> yeah. i mean, you know, when i first heard the story, it's completely remarkable when you hear it. it sounds almost scripted. but we wanted to really explore this process of forgiveness that matthew and tim, the perpetrator, had gone through. so it really is about the two of them and this journey tha