>> michael conahan, when he was judge, he had an immense power. he really did.as a judge but never gave a comment to the media. he never spoke to the media. it was very unusual for us to get him, really. but he, too, felt the story was portrayed as one-sided and he wanted to take the opportunity to share his side of the story. >> this goes to the issue of zero-tolerance policy. talk about the reconsideration of that, where it is being reconsidered, where it isn't, even up to president obama. >> that is a great question. zero tolerance policy damages 1990's -- came into favor in the 1990's. kids were being expelled for very little. after columbine, got worse -- not in terms of legitimately tilling with the gun issue, but legitimately dealing with trivial offenses in school. the minister at us could get rid of kids they did not want in the classroom. there has been a gradual backlash over the last five to 10 years. this story is part of that backlash. parents advocates, children's lawyers, dignity and schools campaign, many of our colleagues have worked to undo re