. >> mr. hines. >> thanks you, mr. chairman. a vigil in for being with us today. i hope he will convey my thanks to the dedicated people you leading organization. another is people have suffered a blow to their morale as a result of the disclosures we have been talking about. and while the route by which we got to this discussion was awful involving a clear violation of u.s. law and almost certainly putting americans a risk, i do believe it is an important cover station for our democracy to have, as painful as it may be given the circumstances. i also rejected it is simply a p.r. exercise in convincing americans that all is well. this is complicated stuff. forget what we say and do, two federal judges have ruled in opposite directions on the legality of the 215 minute beta program. privacies civil liberties oversight board spoke three to two. this is a good debate which i want to set aside for the moment in favor of a question of utility of the 215 omitted data program. also an area in which there's been a great deal of misinformation initially propagated by some