you talk to people in opressed countries in free countries. what do you think our nations can do more to protect the property rights of individuals so that our system can bring more poor people out of poverty? >> comprehensive. wonderful. i think basically things are interconnected. so, is something independent, then we only concern about that, usually you call expert. but the other thing, everything is interconnected. so, the property -- have to look more holistic. larger picture. so think individual initiative, that also entirely depend on self-confidence, self-confidence and sometimes blind risk, over self-confidence. that's dangerous. so education also is a more holistic education. then as you mentioned, i think the whole system -- i think here the judicial system, the rule of law, very, very important, and anyway, among people, some -- strange people or wicked people. so, the law. so, all this i think the combinations -- you can see many factors that are really intertwined. and you mention the trust, even -- trust is important. so trust v