tom price about health care reform. >> there are some republicans that have taken some shots at heritage. devin noons. i don't look to them. mike simpson, since they became political, people have said, i don't need that anymore. and richard burr, not exactly a moderate republican, from north carolina, i'm not sure i've ever seen them listen to anybody. they can have all the summits, but this doesn't make a squat of difference. what do you say to this, orrin hatch was pretty tough on you guys, on my show, a couple of months ago believing you guys led them down a shutdown path that was a mistake. >> i think they're politicians who just want to go forward and preserve the status quo, deem debt limits passed, not pass fundamental tax reform, because it might upset somebody on k street. we'll probably not have the best working relationship. go there's big, bold politics that want to go to the american people and present a choice, like ted cruz is on energy, in a speech he gave monday at heritage, like tom price is on obamacare, like jeb henchly is on fannie and freddie reform, those are the people on the battlefield every single day, and we