we have lisa stark on the telephone and alan diehl. i want to repeat for the people that might be joining us, according to the australian prime minister, there has been satellite images that have discovered two pieces of something that may be part of the missing malaysia airlines flight. the prime minister says that they are sending aircraft - have sent aircraft out to that search area and that they are looking for - to get more information about those two objects and whether or not they might be related to the plane, but the prime minister - i thought - it was very interesting. the prime minister called it new and credible information, lisa, and it would be hard to imagine that the prime minister would speak to parliament about something, unless they are - unless he was pretty certain that there was a good possibility of this, right? >> i do think that - i do think he has to have some - as he put it, credible information. he doesn't want to mislead people for raise falls hope or make the families more distraught. clearly they know - t

diehl suggests? >> possible to turn that nob to the left.'t imagine a pilot doing that, though, to be honest with you. >> even in a smoke-filled cockpit, even in a moment of -- >> even under those circumstances, i can't imagine a guy doing that. i think too he would probably communicate and that had not happened either. so i don't think so. >> all right, craig has been in a simulator for 777 cockpit. let's go now to craig's report. >> one of the aspects of the disappearance of flight 370, the fbi has now been brought in to investigate this disappearance by looking at the pilot's whole flight simulator. jay le buff is a flight simulator expert and a manufacturer. there are deleted files on this pilot's home simulator. is it possible for forensic experts, the fbi, to recover those deleted files? >> i think so. i hope so. at least, it will tell us what it was he was practicing. and what locations he was aiming for and what the headings and settings were that he put into that flight sim. >> the designated path from kuala lumpur to beijing, china

. >> joining us on the phone from albuquerque is alan diehl, forker accident investigator with the national transportation safety board. how do you view the announcement by the australian prime minister. >> erica put it well - it's promising but tentative. we'll have to wait until we get our hands on the debris, and make sure that it is, in fact, part of a 777, and then we'll know where to start looking a bit better. >> and we've had a lot of conflicting information. is this one of the best leads yet? >> yes, it's - it looks good, okay. i should mention that i used to work for the navy and train p3 crews, and todd was talking about them. they are capable aircraft, but we may need a lot more of them. because we found a piece of the airplane, if that's what it is, we have to study the tides, we have to study the currents, the wind. this - people say this is a needle in a haystack. i have said it's a needle in a heyfield. now we seem to have found the haystack. if this holds up, we'll have a lot of tough searching and we have to find the black boxes. the pingers are the key. >> they could give

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. >> allen diehl joins us from albuquerque new mexico. the author of air safety investigators using science to save lives one crash at a time. allen you're on the phone with us. i thank you for your time this evening. your thoughts on the news of the day, the malasian prime minister saying based on the satellite data received and analyzed, the plane went down in the southern indian ocean. what are your thoughts? >> well, my thoughts obviously are sad, that that's -- looks like where it's going to end up. but many of us suspected that was where it was all along. the mrset data really has been very helpful. but i think period o first and , the president needs to call up and say we have totally inadequate information, regarding surface debris and he needs several squadrons of p-3 aircraft from the u.s. or other countries to get out and look for that wide area first of all for floating debris which can lead you back to where to look for the pingers. and there's another type of aircraft, the u.s. air force has mc-130s. these aircraft can't loc

and from mexico, alan diehl, an m.t.s. p and federal aviation administration investigator. welcome. we're glad to have him back. >> thanks. so after the revelations today, what is your assessment of the situation right now? >> well, obviously the mystery is growing. it's been said we are looking for a needle in a haystack, now we are looking for a needle in a hay field, with the scenario that the aircraft flew for four hours, that means the malaysians, i hope are talking to the pentagon about having more assets in the ocean. we have the equipment to do that, they don't. i hope they'll request our assistance. this is certainly obviously a big issue, and there's unsaid things that are playing here, such as the fact that this 777 is a very reliable airplane. i know that boeing is bringing out a new model and we need to find out if there's a problem with the series that we don't know about now. >> there's a lot of questions. i want to go to the engines that we have heard about, and the monitors on the engines. how long would they work. what sort of information, and when would they send

alan diehl is an investigator for the safety board. nice to see you. >> good afternoon, shepard. >> i don't know what you want to make of this flight simulator angle, does it sound like a big deal to you? >> no. shepard, airline pilots know they're flying these very automated aircraft now. too pilots and the flight management systems fly the airplane. they go buy a light aircraft to hone their stick and ruddle skills. i'll see what they come up with, but right now i wouldn't get excited about him having a simulator. >> the only thing that could be in there if he was in his mind i'm going to go to this place, let's see what it looks like, then he deleted it later, that might give them a place to search. >> he certainly knows how to fly an airplane and how to land it. but i'll wait to see what the fbi says. >> after 18,000 hours in the 777, he ought to know. i want to run another thing by you that i've been reading. this comes from a respected aircraft expert. his name is ian black. he has some bona fides, fighter weapons instructor for

diehl, thank you very much very much for your time.nscripts of the pilot's communications with the ground has now been published. you've had a chance to look at some of that. what stands out to you if anything? >> well, first of all, we really don't know if these are actually the transcripts. i believe they probably are. about the only thing we can tell from the transcripts -- >> let me stop you there. let me stop through. why are you -- >> sure. >> why do you say that we don't know that? >> well, the malasians have not confirmed at least that i know that these are actually the transcripts and the time line is right and so on. i believe they're probably accurate. but so i'd like to know for sure. i'd like the malasian authorities to say verily they are the accurate transcripts. but to answer your question, what can we tell if these are correct? we can tell the pilots are answering promptly at first and then things started slowing down like they were distracted. and that of course could mean they had a minor problem they were troublesho

let me go to alan diehl. how big a deal is this, alan? >> like lisa said, we have to wait until we get our hands on the objects before we really know. what bothers me a little bit. 79 feet is a big chunk. the chinese objects looked 70 by 70. the prime minister suggesteded they were long. 70 or 80 feet long with a blob on the end. what could that be. it may be the wing and the fuel tanks, we think to empty, so it may float. it's consistent with what we may expect. >> how long are the wings? >> it's over 200 feet. each is over 100 feet. that's within the ballpark. if the fuel cells were empty and the wing tore off. it's possible that they might float. that's interesting. >> when he says a blob on the end, i mean what goes through your mind is a winning attached to the fuselage of the plane. >> that's what i was thinking, make it was the the joint with the views large, right. >> i -- fuse large, right. >> we have been careful not to speculate in a big way. i think that given the prime minister of australia's comments, and then the head of th

alan diehl, a former crash investigator for the national transportation safety board and faa and author safety investigators" using science to save lives one crash at a time. chairman mccaul. any new information on what happened to flight 370 and where it is now? >> well, as i said all along, i believe it's in the indian ocean. i think the malaysian government spent way too much time focusing on the northern routes and thailand and kazakhstan. it would have been picked up by radar and we knew that. satellite imagery given to malaysians established that. but we wasted a week of precious time up in that region when all along it's been in southern indian ocean, i think is where location is. i think this is hopeful that we have the third satellite imagery of debris in this area. the good news is we confined it to the area where the debris is so that we can get to the black box to finally find out what may have happened in this case. >> let me ask you about another law enforcement aspect of this. the fbi has now gotten a hold of the hard drive of the flight simulator of that chief pilot and

diehl.ht of going 2 1/2 to 3 miles under the ocean to try to find bits and pieces that may or may not be there seems overwhelming. how do they start? >> well, you're certainly right, megyn. we've done it before in the west indian ocean. we found a 747, south african airways lost one back in 87. took them two years. and they knew roughly where the aircraft was. and it still -- but they didn't get to it while the pingers were still operational. it took them two years. they did get one of the black boxes up and it answered the riddle. >> sean, they call this body of ocean the roaring 40s, because these seas are just so overwhelming. look at some of this video. they're talking about some of these waves getting up over 32 feet high. how are they supposed to even search out there? >> well, you're exactly right. extremely challenging. and, you know, very adverse conditions, right? so part of this is using gps technology, which is something that is far more accessible now than some of the past inves

diehl. you're thinking of this. was this a malfunction or was this a man made problem here or a combination of the two, if that's possible? >> well, chris, obviously i think both scenarios are on the table. it looked like a couple of left turns. i didn't see tom's graphic. the initial left turn, that could be explained by some minor problem in the cockpit, maybe fumes, whatever. we've seen this before on other accidents. and then all of the sudden things get out of control, and the pilots are incapacitated. we know this can happen. also, we also are aware it could be a bomb in the cockpit. it could be hijackers. there is nothing really that has been eliminated. that second u-turn down towards the south indian ocean could well be somebody else aboard. it could be injured pilots not knowing where they are right now. and, of course, it could be like what happened in 2005 when a flight attendant went to the cockpit. this was a low decompression in a 737. it was a male flight attendant. he put on the oxygen mask and trie

. >> dr alan diehl joins us from albuquerque and is a former investigator with national transportation safety board, and author of . take us through the next steps of the book. >> the next step is trying to find -- next steps in trying to find the plane. >> aircraft, and they need more of the p3 orion. they have several, but they need four or five dozen, a lot more equipment to find the floating debris to start, and sorry just lost me. >> we've still got you, keep talking to us. >> the prime minister needs to call the president and request several squadrons of these p3s. hang on one second. i'm sorry. >> we know you are in high demand since you are a former national transportation safety board investigator. can we throw more questions at you here? great. so you were talking about what steps happened next, keep going with that? the floating debris, if it's from the airliner, with the models, the oceanographers, and meteorologists can look at wind and ocean currents and find the proper haystack to look at the needle. that's when the p3 orions will come in handy to locate it in the area.

diehl, thank you for your time. transcripts of the pilot's transmission to the ground, you've had a chance to look at that. what do you are notice? >> things slowed down like they were distracted, that could mean they had a minor problem, they were troubleshooting or could be some other nefarious situation in the cockpit. we know over those minutes they didn't get credit distracted, perhaps over ordering dinner or what, to me that's unusual. but the key thing and the thing that happens in the state after ten days the ntsb releases not the transcripts but the actual recordings to the public. that's critical because you can hear voice inflections. the human performance group at the ntsb can make a lot out of the recordings. the transcripts are valuable, the recordings are invaluable. >> at what point do you think we'll actually hear their voices? >> the malaysiaians have been awfully guard he with their transcripts. that person should have been there on day 1 so your guess is as good as mine on that. but we'll just ha

we are joined by santa fe by alan diehl, the author of science to save lives one crash at a time". this computerized flight management system, how does it work and how significant is the "new york times" story to our happened? >> it's interesting. i'm an airline transport rated, but i do not fly the 777. some of the flight management computers store standard routes that the airline flies, and if that were the case, which hitting a few key streaks, the plane went to a route it had flown previously, which is not the route to beijing. i'm not sure this means that someone was in the cockpit with a gun or the pilots were crazy. it could mean there was another emergency, and the pilots were whatever. >> do you think that would account for them not communicating with back to tower or signal that they were in some sort of trouble? >> it wouldn't absolutely prevent them. once these fires break out, and this happened before. the swiss air jumbo jet out of j.f.k. they smelt fumes, they keep flying and before they know it there was a raging fire and they didn't make it. >> we don't know if the

is this is only a guess, but i would sindian ocean, and we nee the aircraft out there. >> alan diehl, the author of "air safety investigators: using science to save lives one crash at a time," thank you for your time tonight. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> over the weekend investigators turned some of their focus to the pilot, zaharie ahmed shah. there was a report that his family moved out of his house of day before the flight and another report that he was infuriated by a court ruling against an opposition party leader that he supported. as for the family crisis. investigators knocked it down and the family said report of conflict were nonsense. what about political anger over the treatment of the opposition party leader. let's turn to william j dobs dobsdobson, author. the pilot supported the people's justice party, led by anwar ibrahim, and he was allegedly pictured wearing a shirt saying, "democracy is dead", are any members supporting violence? >> no. that's what you have to realise about anwar ibrahim, and the democratic coalition that he leads. anwar ibrahim

alan diehl, as a former ntsb investigators, when you search - even though the box is small, when youearch an area that large and you think you have found something in that area, what happens after that? how does the search expand in that concentrated area. >> there's a couple of things. first of all, it's a political one. if they think that - i know debris was not found in australian territorial waters. if it turns out they are convinced the wreckage is in australian territorial waters, under the protocol, the australians are in charge. let's not go there. i'm assuming that they don't think the wreckage is in territorial waters. what happens now is i guess the short answer is it depends. i don't know how deep the water is. we have to look at the currents, the wind, the tides and try to figure out where. it's a big area. once we do that analysis, and that's for the meteorologists and the oceanographers, then we have to decide what equipment or if it's shallow water, we may put divers down. the main thing is to get aircraft out there. you know, destroyers travel at 25 miles per hour, t

diehl, if this is debris, what will they do considering this is debris. >> perhaps we can tell what happened. in the air france accident we realized right away that it was a high, flat impact. nose high, sort of flat impact. but the other thing that i would certainly bring up here is, yes, the p-8 poseidon is very capable but there are not many of them and they have 150 p-3 orions. they are quite capable and we need to start the big pinger hunt. a couple dozen aircraft are fine but we probably need a few more resources and the u.s. navy has large quantities. i mentioned 150. the japanese have 100. the australian have about 12. so we may have to go with the old-tech. it's still pretty good when you're looking for the pingers. >> how many do you think we would need out there? >> i'd call up the reserve unit and dispatching at least 50. i've done a back of the envelope calculation. if we could get 50 from our resources, maybe 25 from the japanese and another 25 from around the world, brazilians and so on, the indians have a few, we could put together a grid search. we've only got two weeks. if

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allen diehl, the author of "safety investigators: using science to save lives one crash at a time."rs investigating aviation crashes. thanks for being here with us. >> thank you, betty. >> what is your take on this newly released satellite image and how do you feel this investigation is being conducted so far, in your eyes? >> two questions. obviously, this is very tent active and we all know most of the airplane's exterior is painted white and so we've got white caps. so these guys have a tough job. as far as i'm concerned, the big mistake the malaysians made was not calling president obama and asking for a full ntsb go team on day one. that's what -- >> what difference would that have made? >> i'm sorry? >> what difference would that have made? >> oh, i think it would have made a lot of difference. we would have had a lot more evidence. i'm not -- i'm trying not to be critical of the malaysians. they just have never done anything quite like this. the ntsb does it on a regular basis. and you know, if you're going to play in the super bowl, you want to bring your "a" team. and they

allen diehl.thinks the satellite images are or are not part of the plane. if you do find them, can you retrace? because we're talking about a couple of weeks later. and then we're going to be talking about ukraine with our panel. john kasich, the governor of ohio. remarkable economic turnaround in that state. running for re-election. some people say a real possibility as the gop candidate for president in 2016. we'll talk to him about all of that. we'll ask him how he's feeling now that dayton beat syracuse in that big upset last night. >> good times for ohio this morning, chris. thank you for that. and all the experts on your show. do you have another expert on your show to analyze how you and john scott managed to wear the same tie today? >> look at that! >> did you guys call each other? >> i have a theory about that. >> what is it? >> that we both got it from the same source, which is the clothes fairy at fox news. >> this happens a lot with the ladies and our dresses, too. >> chris wallace has