obamacare is a further hepp episode of government meddleing. but the real reason people are not in the middle class is by and large. >> i totally disagree with you. >> that is one factor. so are all the other factors. i don't know why you would criticize the president and others for raising such an important issue because it is an important issue. it relates to health care. >> quickly. i'll finish quickly. improving access to health insurance for as many americans as possible is one way to solve this problem. one way. >> all right. i was going to interrupt. >> i agree with you there. >> but charles payne, here's the point. the issue is health care itself which started as being a great fad to unions and all those arguing for it. the more it's reality. now the more reality is hitting back, the more they're saying this isn't what we want. >> and now that, chickens are him quoing on thef radio, it's not great. >> it's extraordinarily expensive. everybody knew. there were promises made or strongly hint to that that certain people wouldn't have to pu