. >> jehmu greene is here and our other contributor is here as well.ve or bad move? >> of course it is good move. there is a generational divide here. young people, even with serious subjects, they have a better sense of humor than us. so the president is going to find outlets to connect with them. ellen's audience is 40-year-old women likely so i am not sure it is reaching the young folks. but it is working. "between two ferns "spiked the increase in traffic. he knows what he is doing. they are more irrelevant. so it may seem odd to us older folks. but... >> i don't know why you are saying older folks. [laughter] does it look like he is making last-minute sales pitch? >> it reminds of the people going from the town to town back in the day with elixirs claiming they would cure everything. most people realize the program is a disaster and it isn't working. they are great stratea great sy but it is hurting the creditability because most americans know he's selling an elixir. and here is my real concern: it is misleading americans. we heard this week many

insurance price, discrimination sounds good to former president of the women's media strrk jehm, jehmu greeneut consider heather higgins say this full of lie. >> there is no war on women, but if you want to call obamacare wear on women, they are losing their doctors, and access and choice are constraind. >> come on, it is not just women who embraced fact that they are no longer being charged more, it is the me men in life also, women turn out, in much larger numbers for democrats they look at two pairs and they say, who is representing my interest. and it not the party that wants put a politician in between the conversation that you have with your men in your life, doctor in your life, and the god in your life, that is what republicans are doing. >> oh, the government is largely interested in replacing men in your life with the government in your life that has been unfortunate that constrains your choices for further. john: let's do one issue at a time. >> okay. john: reproductive rights, how do the republicans attack women? >> well if you look at various pieces of legislation, i think in the

ending insurance priceri discrimination does sound good to former president of women's media center, jehmu green but conservative heather hug joins says it's full of lies. what do you mean? >> there is no. war on women, except maybe if you want to call obamacare a war on women. they're losing theirir doctors. they're losing their access. their choices are being constrained. >> come on. it's not just women who embracee the fact that they are no longer being charged more.is t it's the men in their life also. women turn out in much larger numbers for democrats 'causerats they look at the two parties and they say, who is representing my interests and it's not the party that wants to put a politician in between the conversations that you have with the man inn y your life, the doctor in your life, and the god in your life.a and that's what republicans are doing across -- >> the government isov largely interested in replacing the men in your life with the governmeni in your life. and that has been reallyun unfortunate because thatra constrains your choices further. >> let's do one issue at a time. repr

jehmu greene is here and lars as well. jehmu, what do you make of this? looked into this and it exploded and you had everyone saying they were not comfortable with the plan. the phone companies said we don't want to collect the data for you and that is what the president is saying they are going to do now. >> well, i kind of look at this as if the question of does the nsa need to know when i call my mother? probably not. but when the president first came into the office, he was incredibly hawkish and this is a sign of his maturity as a president. he stepped up drone attacks, killed bin laden, and now he is looking at how to balance needs for social security and liberty and living up to the values that this stuff shouldn't be happening in secret. >> interesting. lars? >> hackish? the president is anything but that and you can see that in his foreign policy. but the president has been in charge for the last five years and didn't do anything about this, and i don't think he would had it not been for snowden. i think snowden is a trader and deserves to be tri