jonathan gilliam, your thoughts on that. >> actually being an fbi agent i'm sitting here and watching all of these pilots. this is the best seat to have here. when i have one pilot nod his head or shaking his head, that is one pilot's opinion. but i have all of these pilots here making the same head movements. it is telling me it is valid to whatever that point is. i can tell you just from sitting here, when you pointed that out. a very good job of pointing it out i definitely see that some type of struggle happened. whether it was somebody in the cockpit or the pilots were struggling with the plane it appears there was a type of struggle. >> before we go to break and we'll go to break in a minute. just raise your hand if you now think this is a criminal case. wow, wow, all right, we'll have much more, stand by panel, thank you very much. was it sabotage. could terrorism be involved here? in moments, new information, if you watch nothing else today watch what he has to say. >>> plus, we dug up new details on what could be the two most important people in the mystery. we're looking at

here to break down what this could mean and the potential cost is military expert jonathan gilliam.ard in the past hour the white house saying they were going to react quickly to what goes on on sunday if crimea decides to align itself with russia. what does that mean? >> we can look at what that means by what they have done in the past and if you look at syria for instance and the reaction of our administration has, is diplomacy first and diplomacy second and diplomacy third. melissa: so that means talking? >> i think so and will try to do sanctions but they're dealing with a man who is not a mad man. he is a former kgb operative, intelligence operative. vladimir putin has a plan and he has a plan that is already going forward and that is evident when he put troops in crimea before the referendum. melissa: we have seen the market, we're looking at the dow ended is down 43 points. we has seen a lot of this happen in the last 10 or 15 minutes or so. traders are nervous what they're going to be facing as they come in on monday morning. do you think crimea is going to vote to go with r

jonathan gilliam joins me now.latest information we have seen, the question, if it was on automatic pilot and you set waive points along the way which is how that worked there is a straight trajectory we would know the plane was on, it is more obvious than it seems from the way they are searching. >> absolutely right up to the point the plane turned and then it disappeared off radar and whenever is a recalculated those waive points and started flying and shut the transponder off you have no way of knowing unless you know what he programmed in what his way points would be. melissa: could be on a flight simulator. >> we know now, here to tell you the cartographers that search these things are the best in the world at finding it and if it is on there they will find it. melissa: what will happen next in this search? >> of course they are digging in the indian ocean but some of the stuff they're saying is a little bit of bravado behind it and at this point is a need to scale back on saying we will find this if it is out

jonathan gilliam, your thoughts on that. >> actually being an fbi agent i'm sitting here and watching all of these pilots. this is the best seat to have here. when i have one pilot nod his head or shaking his head, that is one pilot's opinion. but i have all of these pilots here making the same head movements. it is telling me it is valid to whatever that point is. i can tell you just from sitting here, when you pointed that out. a very good job of pointing it out i definitely see that some type of struggle happened. whether it was somebody in the cockpit or the pilots were struggling with the plane it appears there was a type of struggle. >> before we go to break and we'll go to break in a minute. just raise your hand if you now think this is a criminal case. wow, wow, all right, we'll have much more, stand by panel, thank you very much. was it sabotage. could terrorism be involved here? in moments, new information, if you watch nothing else today watch what he has to say. >>> plus, we dug up new details on what could be the two most important people in the mystery. we're looking at

here for today's "money talker", fox news security analyst, kt mcfarland, a former navy seal, jonathan gilliam and a former pilot himself. thank you all three for joining us. this idea that we're always so paranoid. there is so much surveillance and government knows what we're doing at all times and here we have a plane no one can find and no one can trace. do we need more surveillance? >> we do have pockets in gaps of radar. melissa: at least. >> not only around the world but right here in the u.s. there are someplaces where there is no radar. it is pretty limited but, there is so much information. i think there is 80,000 flights a day. if you were to shove all that information up to the satellites, there is not enough bandwidth for all that. melissa: didn't we just give terrorist as perfect map where they could go and disappear if they wanted to? >> here is what i think. not so much what we do know about the plane? what about the bad guys know about us and reaction to this. we're not look in southern hemisphere. we're looking in russia, china, north korea, american satellites are not looking

jonathan gilliam joins us now, former special agent with the fbi joint recordism task force, former airseal. good morning. >> good morning, martha. martha: what do you make of this theory that was put out there by counterterrorism officials and national security officials, that was reported by "the wall street journal" that it's possible this plane may have been taken to another location and will be repurposed later? >> well, they should have been looking at this to begin with just simply because they didn't have any evidence that the plane had crashed. and i think having calculated the distance that this plane could have flown, a outer perimeter could have been -- if it wasn't -- could have been set up to begin with. but mow that we have this information be legit -- if it's legit, we can actually start to work from that perimeter, the furthest that that plane could have gone and start to work in. and i think something that is going to be very important with this is that if this is a legitimate lead, we now have a reason to start doing things like querying sources globally to see if the

panel now, former ntsb member, an airline pilot who currently flies the boeing triple 7, and jonathan gilli gilliam, who served as a navy seal, a former air marshal. let me start with you, you were on the panel saying you believe it was mechanical failure, once again the point that michael raises if it was mechanical failure and everything stopped working at once how do you explain the u-turn and the satellite pings that they say it was this jet. and they're talking to the ntsb. they're talking to the faa. they're talking to the military authorities out there in malaysia and they're saying it was not a mystery. it was this jet heading west over malaysia. >> i still have issues with that part of it. you know that this data has been er erroneous in a lot of ways. but if you want to go back to that i still contend that the mechanical issue occurred from the standpoint that now we know the system was not systemically shut down. >> we don't know that. >> we know for sure -- >> before we thought for sure it was shut down, one system at 1:07, the next system at 1:21 a.m., we don't know when it happened. i

. >> we talked to jonathan gilliam earlier on the show this morning, a form er fbi air forc man, andhat he said. >> the hope is they were stolen passports, they were moving drugs or something criminally, but now that they are saying there are two other suspicious names, which we don't know anything about those individuals, they are starting to show patterns of -- we know this, we know something happened on the plane to cause them to turn. and then something happened quickly to make the plane disappear. so when you add that to this suspicious problem that you have with the passports, there's starting to be a little bit of a picture here. >> and you also wonder, how did the stolen passports make it through the airport and get through people on board in the first place. you said, it appears to be a failure of databases. and you said, could this happen here? you know, can you assure us that this wouldn't happen here? and he said, i never 100% rely on these databases. and, you know, this is a scary situation. >> which is absolutely chilling. because apparently both of these passports were