so i want to visit the growth assumptions that omb makes. by way of doing that h i want to revisit where we've been in the past couple of yeergs. omb in 2010 projected that the ten-year growth projection would be 3.4%. the actual for the first four years of that period of time has been 2%. so significantly off. 2013, omb projected that the growth rate would be 4.2%. actual, 1.9%. so why is it that the american people should believe the administration now when they project a growth rate of 2.7% for ten years? >> a couple of things. one is, with regard to all of the projections that occur during that period, whether it's the blue chip, the fed, or even cbo, the growth that the nation has experienced has been slower than all projections thought. i would also say that many of the proposals -- we believe our proposals could cause and create growth. what we've seen in the past several years is a very strong fiscal drag that has come from policy pursuit. that comes in a number of different forms. >> wait, wait. i don't have the ten minutes that the

i asked omb staff to provide the question. first the president's policies fail the first time in a hurt families and paychecks. when you started out you said this is all about jobs and paychecks that the first rounds of the residents policies had failed to improve jobs and paychecks so why are we doing it again? why are we going to do the same thing and get a better result so please answer that. and the second one is please reconcile omb's forecast which are more optimistic than cbo's forecast to which are less optimistic and talk about in the reconciliation talk about the deficit and also the impacts on unemployment if you could and that is all i have. i asked the submit that in writing and i yield back. >> mr. jefferies? >> thank you mr. chairman and we thank the witness for her parents are today. in an earlier exchange there was a statement that was made by you and i believe you are interested but you are beginning to make the point that there are many proposals contained within the president's budget that are designed to h

so i want to visit the growth assumptions that omb makes. by way of doing that h i want to revisit where we've been in the past couple of yeergs. omb in 2010 projected that the ten-year growth projection would be 3.4%. the actual for the first four years of that period of time has been 2%. so significantly off. 2013, omb projected that the growth rate would be 4.2%. actual, 1.9%. so why is it that the american people should believe the administration now when they project a growth rate of 2.7% for ten years? >> a couple of things. one is, with regard to all of the projections that occur during that period, whether it's the blue chip, the fed, or even cbo, the growth that the nation has experienced has been slower than all projections thought. i would also say that many of the proposals -- we believe our proposals could cause and create growth. what we've seen in the past several years is a very strong fiscal drag that has come from policy pursuit. that comes in a number of different forms. >> wait, wait. i don't have the ten minutes that the

i know you must feel following omb guidance is important. it's why i'm sure you share my concern that the new commissioners decided to reverse that decision and to pay out a portion of the bonuses. given that clematis behavior of the tax-exempt division and i think the damage is done to public trust in the agency's ability to perform its core functions do you believe the was of her groupie for those employees to receive a bonus? >> senator i have to start by saying the overwhelming vast majority of employees are hard-working public servant to do a fine job and deserve respect and thanks and that's something i think is an important thing for all of us to remember. secondly there was a suspension of the bonus policy during the sequestration period and there was a challenge under some of the bargaining agreements. i 2 for two the commissioner of the irs as to how he as worked up a policy. >> did you pay bonuses last year to treasury? >> i don't believe so. i would have to doublecheck. >> do you intend to pay them this year? >> i am not sure tha

she was joining them, the associate director for parliaments -- performance at omb. she was responsible for committing the approach to improving performance. our next guest is robert shea, a firm.pal at a cost and quotation -- budget management machine? right? he helps meet financial requirements, improve -- and effectively implement i.t. investments. he was the associate director for administration and government reform at the office of management and budget. what years was that? 2002 to 2008. >> he also served on the staff of criminal affairs committee under a senator-- from what years to what years? >> come on. and i see a bunch of friends behind you. >> on which side? >> both. >> our final witnesses tommy labsdirector of sunlight at the sunlight foundation. what a cool name for a foundation. the sunlight foundation seeks to expand access to government information to create accountability and seeks to make public information available online. dr. coburn is very much interested in this. sunlight labs is an open-source community supported by the sunlight foundation

as a former director of omb, i know you must feel following omb's guidance is important. that's why i'm sure you share my concern that the new commission commissioners decided to reverse that decision and pay out a portion of the bonuses. given that call lammy us to behavior of the tax-exempt division and i think the damage it's done to the public trust and the agency's ability to perform its core functions, do you believe it was appropriate for those employees to receive a bonus? >> senator, i have to start by saying the overwhelm iing vast majority of employees at irs are hard working employees who do a fine job and deserve respect and thanks and that is important for all of us to remember. secondly, there was a suspension of the -- of the -- the bonus policy during the sequestration period. there was a challenge under some of the collective bargaining agreements. i defer to the commissioner of irs how he worked out the policy subsequent to that. >> did you pay bonuses last year at treasury? >> i don't believe so. i -- i'd have to double-check. >> do you intend to pay t

we give it to omb and omb gives it to you. there are certain respects in which dod cannot be a model for dhs. but i think we ought to start with defining what our overall mission is with regard to counter terrorism, border security aviation security maritime security find your mission. at the dhs level early on in the process, and once you've defined the mission you figure out the resources you need to fulfill a mission and then you expect the components to meet those resource needs, paying attention to potential overlaps gaps, and inefficiencies. i know from personal experience if you plan at the department of defense to fly two major conflicts around the world at once, that's done at the joint staff level you don't ask the army navy marine corps to develop their own sense and you react to that. i think we need to have a more centralized mission focused budget process that starts earlier in the budget cycle that originates at the dhs level and we are building that process now and i want to work with the committee and get your

we give it to omb and omb gives it to you. i think that -- there are certain respects in which dod cannot be a model for dhs, but i think we ought to start with define what our overall mission is with report to counterterrorism, border security, aviation security, maritime security. define your mission. at the dhs level, early on in the process, once you have defined the mission you figure out the resources you need to philadelphia a mission -- to fulfill a mission, and then you expect the components to meet the resource needs, paying attention to potential overlaps, gaps in efficiencies. so, i know from personal experience, if you plante department of defense to have the capability to fight two major conflicts at once around the world, that's done the joint staff level you. don't ask the army, navy, air force, marine corps to develop their own sense of what they need themselves and then you racket to that. so i think that we need to a more centralized mission focused budget process that starts earlier in the budget cycle, tha

as you know, omb is looking at this right now. don't know their timeline. this exact issue is that i have talked to the director. the numbers that you cited are the ones i understand to be the case. that we could support the state department, the nomadic security, training missions, by extended -- expenditure of 275 million. purpose -- frankly, the purpose is to be the training center for law enforcement protection across the federal government. is a perfectt this example of why you have a training center like this. additionally, if we bring a diplomatic security training , it will work to the benefit of other federal law enforcement agencies and departments. i fully support having the state department bring that mission to that center. when omb is going to make their final decision? >> not offhand, but i could find out. i wanted to submit a few questions, mr. chairman. mostly some of it is past tense now. we have another bill that has taken its place. there was a requirement for fema to do a feasibility study on it before they implemented bigger waters. fo

. >> all right, we just heard from omb. the federal government closed tomorrow.that should help keep all the vehicles off the roads. the local government will follow suit as we'll have mo >>> a couple of weeks ago their heart signs looked like beep, beep, beep. keep the priest out of the hospital room. that body is alive and kicking looking for their fifth straight win today against the flyers. we'll get back to him in just a second, but how about right now with quite a day? here is a blast by steve mason, just the third goal of the year to put them up 1-nil. here is bad dimitri as you cannot do that in hockey. you're down a man for five minutes. it's not good. hoping to make it 4-3 and back to even strength as they are still down. they put it in front of the net, deflected on in to tie it and then two minutes in the overtime area. he says that this thing, it's done. flyers they win it 5-4. >> we started the period short, fine, we get into the withthem. you know a five-minute board, obviously it's not what we wanted, you give them life and they tire themselves an

please reconcile omb's forecast which are more optimistic than are lessecast that optimistic. if you can talk about the deficit impact and the impact of unemployment, if we could ge. that is all. i ask that you write back. >> mrs. jeffries. >> thank you. let me think the witness for her appearance here today. in an earlier exchange, a statement that was made by you, i believe you interrupted, but you are beginning to make the point that there are many proposals contained within the president's budget that are designed to help spur economic growth. there have also been actions taken i believe irresponsibly by this congress over the last 14 months or so. they have limited the ability of the economy to continue to take off. a reference was just majoring the previous question to the notion that the president's economic policies have failed to create economic growth. am i correct that during the last 47 months, 8.5 private sector jobs have been created? is that an accurate statement? >> there is still significant effort in order to completely turn our economy around, particularly f

individual project decisions why cannot address the questions and i would refer the question to the omb director. but i would say -- >> i would appreciate you looking into it personally. >> obviously it is and the department of treasury issue so i'm going to have to go to the omb for the issue. i would say that going back, we have made a lot of progress at streamlining the approval process for important projects. in my home state of new york and senator schumer, the bridge was permitted in 18 months. something that nobody beauty was possible, so this is important and something that we are committed to. >> i would appreciate it very much. mr. chairman, can i ask you a question? i am correct go to the majority and minority site are still investigating the irs situation; is that not correct? >> we are working together on the investigation that began coming and we intend to continue to work on it and to do it in a thoroughly bipartisan way. >> the reason i mention it is your edification and/or benefit in the last month i've taken every friday to do town hall meetings in georgia. the number

at omb which is a large number of career staff, we have felt that deeply.he second thing i would say is that there are provisions in previous budgets that no longer are with regard to relationship to federal employee pensions and we are pleased we can do that one percent. the last thing i would say is that the budget levels, the 14th and 15 budget levels that were agreed upon in ryan-murray, when one compares 14 to 15, they are basically the same. when you account for things that have natural growth such as veterans benefits and the nondefense and -- discretionary side, you see how tight the numbers are to produce a 15 budget. we get the opportunity to do this first. the congress will do it next but people will start to know how tight the numbers are. in that context, p there areuts and takes that have to be made and we believe the federal employees were some one that deserved an increase. the one percent increase is what we thought we were able to do in the context of the budget constraints. >> did you discuss the provision for training and development for

in areas of duplication, but other areas where the management function of omb can build on some of the work of gao. >> so as i understand the president's budget proposal overall, that we're still with this proposal on the path to be at a point of close to $25 trillion in debt over ten-year window, is that true? >> when we look -- i'm not sure if you're using publicly-held debt or -- >> we're at, because right now we're at over 17, right? so as i look at the president's budget request based on the amount of debt where we would be in 2024 would be about $25 trillion using that measure of right now what we understand, not unfunded liabilities, nothing like that. >> so i think putting aside the question of gross or publicly-held debt, i think what we believe is the most important measure is considering the debt in the context of the signs of the economy, the debt to gdp. and as you look at the numbers in our budget and our policies, what we do is stabilize that debt to gdp ratio in 2015 and then take it on a declining path. >> well, i understand that measure, and, certainly, we could have

if there is something that we can shift around or do because a guy at omb is looking at it and thinking we could take something from here and put it there -- if you have any ideas between now and next month, call us and tell us. i am very grateful that you are willing to do this. frankly, i don't think you could have three better people to look at this from an experience point of view. interested. the media did not even pick you up for the longest time. --sh eyes on the target always come and take with fresh eyes. if anyone is here from the fbi. i do appreciate that the director has been very open. they say that we want this done. i want to thank the director for having this open attitude and thank you to the three of you for your service. >> if i could, thank you. want to personally thank you all for extraordinary service that you have rendered to the country. permission, we have just a little bit of time. hope that you will keep in the forefront of your mind as you go forward -- i hope this is agreeable with you. youmber, ben franklin, don't want to -- you will end up with neither if

first of all, former omb associate director jim capretta. and we welcome back dr. gottlieb.h of you have it help me. jim, the way i read it, and i read it through the "wall street journal" editorial and other commentaries. basically if you get canceled, you never have to renew if you can prove that the renewal will be more expensive than obamacare. and there is a weird clause that says if anybody, anybody, can't find something that is less expensive, they can get out, too. is that true? >> well, look, i think they left it very ambiguous. they do not want to send the signal while enrollment season is still open that they will exempt everybody from the individual mandate. but you're right, they wrote that provision to be purposely vague so they could potentially be read later to exempt many more people. obviously it was aimed first and foremost at the people that got canceled policies in 2013. and they're saying to them you're definitely off the hook for the mandate in 2014. and now in 2015 and '16, if you want to get out from under it. i think the real issue is fairness. how

and the omb bureaucrats, heaven forbid i was one many years ago, and the policymakers are not helpingm. we're spending a lot of money and not helping poor people. and i'll tell you, you talk about wage subsidies. you were the guy that really helped the wage subsidies. i just give them $25,000 a year if that's what it took. pretty soon, it's going to be 90% of the budget. >> right now we're spending a trillion dollars a year on programs for low-income and poor people. but yet, the mobility out of that bottom 20% is only, like, half of what it is in a lot of european countries. that money is not being spent properly. i don't care we're going to be cutting a lot from that money. but certainly needs to be restructured, and increasing the benefits of working is one way out. >> jared, you've gone from 40% -- just looking at this chart. investors business daily, they do their homework. gone from 40% to 70% of the budget, and that's just in the last couple decades. that's a lot of movement. so we're going to go bankrupt sooner than i thought, jared. >> a social insurance company with an army

we had sylvia matthews bur well, who is the new head of omb.e have the secretary of transportation with us. the ceos and the congressional leaders have a surprising amount, the sense that we're not going to see any budget, any government shutdowns any more, we're not going to be sending troops into the ukraine. sorry, michelle, if you're worried about that one happening. but there's a good sense that the company is on a track. >> what were the other big issues? i'm curious, traditionally, i've attend over the years and one of the big issues that always comes up is activism. is that something that's been raised this year? >> do you want me to take that, andrew? >> sure. >> actually, it didn't come up at all. it's certainly the topic du jour of most companies. but in the past 3 1/2 hours, it's something that wasn't mentioned. it's something we're aware of and it isn't always necessarily bad. but honest answer, it didn't come up. >> which is kind of surprising, andrew. it's a good question to raise. if you're with us in june, i'll assure you of a

. >> omb's publication process of that transaction nets zero. i would refer you to dr. elmendorf jus test when wooy admitted he had an asset offset by liability and that nets 20. thank you, director. thank you, madam chair. >> senator merkley. >> thank you very much madam chair. talk about unified budget, i'm looking at the budget total chart that someone 63 of your book. do you have your budget? >> which table? >> it is a table s-1. just to be clear, this table includes social security trust fund embedded within it, right? so as we look at those numbers, there's not some separate liability or concerned that's on top of these. it's embedded inside these numbers? >> yes. >> as a look at 2015 and we projected a deficit of $564 billion, deny that compares to the simpson-bowles like path, the bipartisan plan that would have, what we would've had for deficit in 2015? >> i don't know the specific number within simpson-bowles, but within simpson-bowles a number of the actual numbers and presentations are incorporated within our budget. one of the differences, and so much of it

of the four surpluses of the nation have -- i have had the opportunity to work on those budgets at omb. i have worked on budgets and the black and surpluses and think they are important. a budget surplus or a budget deficit, this question of the balance and that sort of thing, they are not an end in themselves. the much more important thing is how that fiscal policy relates to the health of the economy. is the economy growing? is it creating jobs? are we providing national security for our nation and our we are properly representing our values and commitments we have made? that is the score that this president will be measured on at the end of his term. in the budget we just proposed, you see a declining deficit to gdp measure. right now it is in the 3's, it will go down to 1.6. you also see a stabilizing to declining debt to gdp measure. when you think about how you think about fiscal policy, the ncedthand of bala budget, deficit number, take that into the context of what it means for the economy. right now we have the steepest continued decline of deficit reduction since world war ii

start by saying things that four the nation has seen, i had the opportunity to work on the budget at omb have worked on budgets in the black, and think they are important things, had the chance to do that. a budget surplus or deficit -- and this question of the balance -- they are not an end in themselves. what i think are much more important things is how that fiscal policy relates to the health of the economy. is the economy growing? is it creating jobs? are we providing national screen for our nation? and are we appropriately representing the commitments we make? that is the score that the president will be measured on at the end of his term. in the budget we just proposed, you see a declining deficit to gdp measure. right now it is in the threes. you see a stabilizing and declining debt to gdp measure. when one is thinking about how you think about fiscal policy, i'm afraid shorthand balanced budget deficit numbers, one needs to take them into the context of what it means for the economy. right now we have the steepest decline, continued decline, of deficit reductions since world war

something that is more government wide, there is a sense you'll know as you study the reports, there's the omb report with the evaluation process and strong roles, if not thee lead role for ensuring the effective implementation of this in the office of director of national intelligence. >> every's clearance? >> it is intended to affect everybody with clearance, yes, which in the dod context, as you know, two and a half million individuals hold active security clearances. implementation has to occur over time. we have studied e slalluation from research and development and a pilot approach we envision we have to continue to do pilots on an expanded basis and fade in over time. >> for any of the three of you, can you go into specifics oh they destigmatize the appeal for mental "health affairs"? >> paul, do you want to start from the perspective, and we'll join in afterwards? >> this question ought to be drastically changed, and despite efforts of those who do, despite best efforts, that question, i don't believe gives us reliable answers, and i believe self-reporting is unreliable, and there's n

. >> and the omb is speaking for the agencies, you know, really doesn't want it either.f you think about, if you really wanted to control our expenditures and you really wanted to do good and you really wanted to eliminate $200 billion worth of duplication, this is the answer for it. the question is really this -- why in the world did we e bill a government that didn't know the programs? when we see a new problem, rather than look to see what we're doing about it and how wellite's work, we just build another oil-for-food program that's what happens here. let's find out what we're doing, what work and what doesn't work, let's find out how much it costs, whether there's a real cost benefit to it and let's streamline that before we create another pru nu program. i'm critical of the budpresiden budget. we e spend $5 billion a year on jobs and not one has a metric on it. he has another v.a. program. we need to fix the ones we've got now and actually keep the promises to veterans rather than say we're going to do another one and it not manifest it in terms of helping a veteran

the omb director, silvio laurel insilvio barwell, will be front of the house. we will have coverage of the committee on c-span3, and also treasury secretary jack lew will be on capitol hill this morning before the senate finance committee. talking about the president's 2015 budget proposal as well. that is 10:30 this morning a.m. eastern time, c-span3. steve, you are up first for zachary goldfarb. taking myank you for call. i am a retired army, i see the calling back our foreign policy, but i'm not here to talk about horses and bayonets. i think this is the segue into raising federalism. i did hear you say that we are spending $600 billion for infrastructure in of the report $7 trillion budget deal. the $3.7 trillion budget deal. i understand paul krugman says we are not spending enough. not the issueit's when programs are managed properly. 95 anddrive down route hit the six nash and her section of 198 and 95, they have had jersey walls up there for five years, and this is all part of the stimulus, the recovery and reinvestment act of 2009. so i do not know wha

omb has made it clear those sessions are not going to happen and they have to be approved at a high levelin the particular case, in response to the recommendations, we provide clearer guidance to employees. he provide more training. one of the recommendations was to provide training before any election, so we will make sure people understand what is appropriate and what is not appropriate in terms of reviewing these as we go forward. we are comfortable that while the standard is still facts and circumstances, we are comfortable that we have much better training and much better visibility and oversight on this issue. nobody paid a lot of attention to it, which i think is part of the problem. >> i know you have a very difficult job. if it makes you feel any better, understand that all the years i have been in public office, i have always known the irs was never very popular to begin with. that is right up there for some folks. yes, you have a challenge to bring back the confidence the president wants, but this is not new. there has been a distressed -- a distrust for many years by the publi

speakers include house budget committee ranking member chris van hole lean, omb directie sylvia burwelland sheila bair and others. live coverage tuesday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2. >> c-span2, providing live coverage of the u.s. senate floor proceed examination key public policy events, and every weekend, booktv. now for 15 years the only division network devoted to nonfiction books and authors. c-span2 created by the cable tv industry and funds by your local cable and satellite provider. >> next, russian leadership under the cur russian leadership under the current president, vladimir putin. journalist edward lucas discusses this book "the new cold war: putin's russian and the threat to the west." this is from 2008. about 90 minutes. >> this is the central and eastern europe correspondent for the economist. he has been covering the region for more than 20 years. witnessing the final years of the cold war, fall of the iron cur rent and the collapse of the soviet empire. boris yeltsin's downfall and ndeadimir putin's rise to power. he was the editor of a weekly independence news in

congressional budget office, the former vice .hairman of the federal reserve the former director of the omband former senior fellow at the brookings institution. derek thompson will be interviewing her today. ambassadorly, the du is very ill and really wanted to be here but cannot make it so we will continue on with senator gregg after this. thank you. >> hi, thanks, everybody. janet yellen first fomc meeting is today. one issue she will have to raise this the so-called evidence rule that says that unemployment rate falling below 1.6% it acts as a rush holt. made before we realize how quickly it is falling. this is falling because the denominator is changing. people leaving the workforce. the recovery is at a state where we want to be dramatically raising rates. if you aren't you're in that you, and a voice, how do shape yellen's understanding of the issue and how do you think she will try to sway this group to think differently about unemployment and raising rates? >> janet yellen doesn't need me to help her understand the labor markets, she understands it for a well. she and her colleague

>> we've been waiting for the apportionment on those funds from omb. we anticipate in the next couple of weeks we'll have that completed so that should alleviate the concerns you've expressed. >> great. i can tell people there's a very strong likelihood this program will be operating this year? >> yes. >> they'll have the money. okay. that was easy. so i want to -- i want to reiterate a little bit of what congresswoman deloro already said to you. i have some of the same concerns and i want to thank her for advocacy on the poultry slaughter rule. i have a lot of concerns and i appreciate the many answers you gave. i'm going to take a different takt on this but i think there will be a negative impact because of the poultry slaughter rule, i think it will have an impact on food safety, worker welfare, poultry slaughterhouse workers have consistently suffered injuries and illnesses at a rate more than twice the national average and because the line speed could increase up to 175 birds per minute i think it's hard to say that won't continue happening. here'

haveder if we shouldn't omb appear in front of this subcommittee so that we could better understand the rationale of the administration in continuing to got state and proposends further stafford actions to 1500 full-time equivalents, 200 and -- 200 less than you will have on board this year. i appreciate your request to add $35 million for federal and state air quality management, but we have seen what has happened to those requests in the past. the reductions you put forward are mostly excepted, and the increases are denied. i appreciate your fiscally responsible requests. the implications it will have on the environment, invariably, year after year. when you propose cutting something, that is excepted. when you propose increasing something, it is rejected. as the mission remains important as ever. as we debate climate change in congress, we should bear in mind ronald reagan and his leadership in getting the montrÉal protocol done with other world leaders. president reagan had a conservative, clear, and successful record on deregulation. he was spurred to action by the discovery of the

but clear emphasis within the omb report applying a continuous evaluation practice, and strong leadership role for insuring the effective implementation in the director of national intelligence. >> will that affect everybody with clearance? >> it is intended to affect everybody with clearance, yes, which in the dod context currently 2.5 billion individuals hold active security clearances. implementation will have to occur over time. we have up to now studied continuous evaluation through research and development and through a pilot approach. we envision building of implementation continuing to do pilots on an expanded basis over time. >> for any of the three of you can you go to more specifics on how exactly dod is stigmatized for appealing to mental-health? >> you want to start with the perspective of the panel? >> the department has made strides in the stigmatizing the search for mental health treatment. i believe the current standard securing form sf 86, some of us have filled that out, asks you whether you seek mental health care. i believe that this question ought to be drastically c

the omb director, silvio laurel insilvio barwell, will be front of the house.e will have coverage of the committee on c-span3, and also treasury secretary jack lew will be on capitol hill this morning before the senate finance committee. talking about the president's 2015 budget proposal as well. that is 10:30 this morning a.m. eastern time, c-span3. steve, you are up first for zachary goldfarb. taking myank you for call. i am a retired army, i see the calling back our foreign policy, but i'm not here to talk about horses and bayonets. i think this is the segue into raising federalism. i did hear you say that we are spending $600 billion for infrastructure in of the report $7 trillion budget deal. the $3.7 trillion budget deal. i understand paul krugman says we are not spending enough. not the issueit's when programs are managed properly. 95 anddrive down route hit the six nash and her section of 198 and 95, they have had jersey walls up there for five years, and this is all part of the stimulus, the recovery and reinvestment act of 2009. so i do not know what

omb will have to review that.will probably take some number of weeks or months for this to actually go into effect. it's a high priority for the president to expedite it where they can. host: we will go back to our initial question -- what specifically did the president announced? guest: the president announced they were going to change the ceiling for when you are guaranteed overtime. right now, it is $455 per week ait that is a little over $11 per hour. right now, anyone can be labeled a manager even if they do a tiny bit of supervisory work and the president wants that they sick -- that revisited. they would be considered for overtime if they are not managerial and the details of not been worked out but the president says they are reviewing the policy and will recommend changes. host: from pennsylvania, good morning. caller: i have known congressional staffers in the leave i know anyone who work less than six to hours per week. is congress prepared to pay their people this to overtime? guest: i believe congress

guest: there is, although right now we are in what one these calling -- what omb is calling a freeze.rnment is not a spending infrastructure began what has already been approved. but yes, the a look has an opportunity to participate in that. really, the way they would do that would be through the the national environmental policy act process. it would potentially have a significant impact on the economy -- pardon me, on the environment. as a consequence, the dod would have to comply with the requirement to do the environmental impact statement or assessment. there's the public comment period that goes with that. host: if they decide they are on , can people in the community make the case to keep it open? guest: yes, they certainly can. when the commission does its work and evaluates the recommendations dod puts forward, there is a process by which the local community can petition the commission and explain why they think the dod decision should be overturned or not be approved. if you read the commission report, the commission actually publishes the objections of the community in the

guest: there is, although right now we are in what one these calling -- what omb is calling a freeze.the government is not a spending infrastructure began what has already been approved. but yes, the a look has an opportunity to participate in that. really, the way they would do that would be through the the national environmental policy act process. it would potentially have a significant impact on the economy -- pardon me, on the environment. as a consequence, the dod would have to comply with the requirement to do the environmental impact statement or assessment. there's the public comment period that goes with that. host: if they decide they are on , can people in the community make the case to keep it open? guest: yes, they certainly can. when the commission does its work and evaluates the recommendations dod puts forward, there is a process by which the local community can petition the commission and explain why they think the dod decision should be overturned or not be approved. if you read the commission report, the commission actually publishes the objections of the community