and much of the reason for that is they were hearing from this woman, pamela hupp, pam met betsy yearsn they both worked in the insurance industry and she had a lot of things to say about russ. including what sounded like a big, fat motive. money. >> he makes comments about how much money he'll have after she's gone because she's got, i don't know for sure, because i have never seen the financials, he's got life insurance on her at work, she's got life insurance. >> pam hupp said that she was with betsy the day she died. they would save money and she would be closer to friends and her chemo treatment. but pam claims betsy was concerned about how russ would react to that idea. >> and she goes, i'm telling you right now, he's going to get very angry. she said he's tired of moving, he is staying in his house and that's it. >> so she already approached him with the idea? >> she was going to approach him when he came home. >> narrator: could that have set russ off? investigators asked him about that. >> she never mentioned that to me. >> she said she wanted to ta hao share with you when she