several aspects to the argument that needs qualityification.doesn't have to be a strictly government run program, but government financed program. the difference between government paying for programs and programs ran by the private sector. i, myself, advocated a mix of public and private. i think you want to separate the two issues. i'm completely with you if you want to engage. i mean, people like art rollmake in minnesota have brought together these privately financed programs and shown some success, so i just want to separate -- upjohn i don't think the president wants private financing. he wants the state to run it. >> well, no, no. i think there's a lot of initiative that can be supported at the individual level. i don't think anybody supporting preschool are earlier education for young children think it has to be strictly a government program. the fact is the scale of the program suggests government activity is an important component. government in the sense of financing. tax based support, but when you -- come back to the 7 to 1 you men